High schooler challenges Bachmann to debate on U.S. Constitution

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Rep. Michele Bachmann. Photo: Photo: Gage Skidmore

A high school sophomore from New Jersey is challenging Rep. Michele Bachmann to a debate on civics and the U.S. Constitution. In an open letter to Bachmann, Amy Myers of Cherry Hill, N.J., said, “I have found quite a few of your statements regarding The Constitution of the United States, the quality of public school education and general U.S. civics matters to be factually incorrect, inaccurately applied or grossly distorted.”

“I, Amy Myers, do hereby challenge Representative Michele Bachmann to a Public Forum Debate and/or Fact Test on The Constitution of the United States, United States History and United States Civics,” Myers wrote, according to a report by City Pages’ Nick Pinto.

Politifact rated Bachmann’s statements about the U.S. Constitution’s census requirements in 2009 as “Pants on Fire” false. CNN’s Anderson Cooper dinged Bachmann back in January for her revisionist history regarding the U.S. Constitution’s racist past.

Here’s Myers full letter:

Dear Representative Bachmann,

My name is Amy Myers. I am a Cherry Hill, New Jersey sophomore attending Cherry Hill High School East. As a typical high school student, I have found quite a few of your statements regarding The Constitution of the United States, the quality of public school education and general U.S. civics matters to be factually incorrect, inaccurately applied or grossly distorted. The frequency and scope of these comments prompted me to write this letter.

Though I am not in your home district, or even your home state, you are a United States Representative of some prominence who is subject to national media coverage. News outlets and websites across this country profile your causes and viewpoints on a regular basis. As one of a handful of women in Congress, you hold a distinct privilege and responsibility to better represent your gender nationally. The statements you make help to serve an injustice to not only the position of Congresswoman, but women everywhere. Though politically expedient, incorrect comments cast a shadow on your person and by unfortunate proxy, both your supporters and detractors alike often generalize this shadow to women as a whole.

Rep. Bachmann, the frequent inability you have shown to accurately and factually present even the most basic information about the United States led me to submit the follow challenge, pitting my public education against your advanced legal education:

I, Amy Myers, do hereby challenge Representative Michele Bachmann to a Public Forum Debate and/or Fact Test on The Constitution of the United States, United States History and United States Civics.

Hopefully, we will be able to meet for such an event, as it would prove to be enlightening.

Sincerely yours,
Amy Myers

Comments

454 Comments

Older_Wiser
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 8:07 am Terrific letter, terrific challenge. Go, Amy!

Bachmann would lose.


Win
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 8:53 am Backmann is an idiot. It’s such a shame that much of what she says is taken as read by the public.


JayInDallas
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 8:57 am My faith in the youth of this country is bolstered. As the father of 3 girls, I applaud Amy for standing up for her gender and for the Constitution of the United States. Give me a petition to sign to make this happen!


Jon
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:03 am Bachman would lose the second she said the first word.


Dog is my shepherd
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:08 am Amy, you have an unfair advantage: it’s called the truth.


Alex
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:16 am She writes very well for a sophomore in high school.I have a feeling miss Myers would win.


Christine H
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:19 am Well Rep Bachmann, are you up for the challenge?


Fools_grow_old_too
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:28 am If only Ms. Bachmann would heed the challenge! I like the idea of just a Fact Test, but a head-on debate with a high school sophomore would be a golden political moment. Maybe Bachmann will win the endorsement and will have to debate President Obama and VP Biden? We can all dream…


skeptical
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:31 am She does write very well for a sophomore in high school, maybe too well…


Carl
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:33 am Amy’s only error so far is in assuming that facts and accurate interpretation of complex text play any significant role in the development of an ultra-conservative world view. Michele’s ignorance is dense and unyielding as are her supporters.Praise Jebus, God hates the tree of knowledge, Amen.


marie
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:38 am @Skeptical.Its the Michelle Bachmann’s of the world that would make such a statement of yours happen.She might have been smart enough to get someone to edit her letter for her. She might also use reference materials and facts to back up her statements. Again, Kudos on that.I am tired of people be skeptical of smarts. I am sick of people using the word elite as a bad word. I want our children, our politicians to be elite! Or to be elite. To educate, beyond the norm, to be the top of the top and to know the facts and truth, history and now. To surround themselves with people that know things that they do not. The best CEO’s have the best CFO’s because one can’t always be both. but one can be elite in one area.


tony
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:44 am AMY ROCKS! I’m proud of her, and she’s not even my kid!


Xtine
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:46 am I also received a public school education and to suggest that Amy didn’t write this letter on her own with little to no outside editing help is insulting to all kids who have amazing public school teachers and educations – and aren’t afraid to show it.


CC
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:47 am I love this kid! I can’t wait to see this!


Merp
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:47 am Hey, @Skeptical, sorry that NJ high school students are more intelligent than most adults! NJ was in the top ten for education for a reason.
God forbid a sophmore high school student shows the capacity for being an incredible, intelligent well spoken writer. Watch that this young lady becomes an AP class student when she becomes a junior or senior.


LJ_dallas
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:51 am She writes well for a sophomore? Is she supposed to write horribly? I assume the HS sophomores you all know are special ed. Her writing skills are on par for her grade.


Geekmaster Tuck
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:02 am While the concept is fantastic, and I personally agree with Miss Myers, it’s unfortunate the letter was written as it was. It is an offensive letter – not in the sense in which it causes offense, but in the sense that it is phrased more like an attack than a request. The student’s opinion and bias on Rep. Bachmann is clear in the body of the letter. While a number of people on both sides of the isle may agree with Miss Myers’ sentiments, guile probably would have been more effective if Miss Myers actually wanted to have the debate.Regrettably, instead of facing Miss Myers and allowing the American people to evaluate her skill properly, Rep. Bachmann will brush off the letter as being written by “an ignorant young liberal who has been brainwashed by parents who espouse the kind of affluent, elitist New York beliefs which are allowing our country to be destroyed and/or transformed into a communist/fascist state.” Or some political, and in my opinion cowardly, nonsense like it.Which is disappointing – having a politician of any cloth lose in a civics debate with a High School student is just what the country’s people need.


Mike Mc
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:07 am The notion that anyone would question the authenticity of this letter or its source is unfortunately demonstrative of how atrocious American education is in general. Though I am from nearby Philadelphia and loathe to complement anything in New Jersey, Cherry Hill East is in fact a fantastic high school, and the fact that a high school sophomore can construct a cogent letter should neither come as a surprise nor be greeted with skepticism, nor would be by anyone other than the type of person who dismisses education as “elitist.” I can’t wait to see what possible explanation the scarily-ignorant Michele Bachman concocts to avoid this challenge.


Tony
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:08 am Bachman’s done been called to the carpet!


Bill Dinker
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:11 am If this congresswoman is as inept as the article depicts her, what does that say for the donks who voted for this heaping pile of political filth.


William
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:14 am Amy Myers for President!


Anna McCall-Tanzola
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:18 am Bravo to Amy Myers!!! It is high time someone called out Michelle Bachmann to a FACT debate!! Bachmann is not even qualified to hold the office she currently holds, let alone qualified to run for President!!!


Derp
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:18 am There’s a typo in the letter (“…led me to submit the follow challenge”) and a ton of split infinitives, which is a huge bummer, because this gal sounds like a winner. I hope she gets the chance to debate and wipe the floor with Bachmann!


MamaJo
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:21 am Bachman wouldn’t dare. “She ignorant, but she ain’t stupid” ~ or at least the puppet masters over her would make sure it never happens.Ms. Myers, thank you. You have renewed my hope for America! Take a bow!


THIS IS NEWS?
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:24 am Miss Myers would be better served citing 1 or 2 examples of Rep Bachmann’s errors. After all; the “frequency and scope’”are such that she should have many at her disposal. being the constitutional connoisseur that she is, Miss Myers should know that Rep Bachmann’s job is to represent the poeple of her district, both men and women, not her gender.
Shame on this publication, which obviously has a vendetta against Rep Bachmann, for publishing a condescending letter from an elitist minor. Neither cute nor clever, this is hardly newsworthy. Teenagers are painful enough as is. The ones that think they’re smarter than everyone else? Absolute agony.


sharedsacrifice
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:26 am skeptical – If the young lady did not in fact write this letter, that will surely come out in a debate. Surely Ms. Bachmann now has another reason to accept Miss Myers’s invitation.What about it, Representative Bachmann? Ready to prove this girl a fraud if you’re able?


Nick
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:27 am This NEEDS to happen!As a Minnesotan (though not in her district), I am constantly embarrassed by her. Perhaps such a debate would be the last time!


This guy
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:29 am So would you all be cheering if some conservative sophomore asked Obama to the same debate? Not likely. Not impressed. Some high school kids interpretation of the constitution differs from a conservatives. SHOCKING. Not news though.


GargoyleGuy
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:30 am Bachmann would lose on “Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader.”


Cassie
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:34 am I have no problem believing a high school sophomore wrote this letter. It’s written in an overly formal, slightly stilted style often used by young, intelligent people who haven’t quite found their own “voice” just yet. Have a little more faith in the public school system, you guys!


Carl
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:48 am @THIS IS NEWS?The young lady’s challenge makes you and the GOP hierarchy nervous.Praise Jebus, God hates criticism of the pharisees, Amen.


Sally Beth Steiner
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:48 am @marie – Agreed. The word “elite,” is the latest code word used by the right to label someone who has an education, as one who is a lefty and simply does not agree with their political dogma, no matter how ridiculous. When a righty is educated, they are duly credited for their energy, industry, work ethic and brains. It is time this country catches up with the rest of the world and start placing a premium on helping every student who wants to and is capable of obtaining an education, after high school. The brain drain is no myth. We are falling behind the rest of the world in the hard sciences and many areas of industry and technology, and it is no secret. Get rid of the predatory student loan industry and make getting and paying back student loans possible. Watch our productivity and economy begin to reap the benefits and our standing in the world begin to be reclaimed.


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Smarter than a Sohpmore?
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:51 am Sorry Amy, you’re a little old to be wanting to play “Who’s smarter than a Fifth Grader?” Unless they’re going to do a spinoff gameshow for everyone in congress.Get money for your district! All you have to do is…Show that you’re “Smarter than a Sophmore!”


Matt Rhys-Davies
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:53 am Will Bachmann take up the offer? My guess is no.


Progressively Queer
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:54 am I think everyone forgot the fact that Skeptical was being sarcastic, facetious, humorous, etc. etc. etc. *shrug* That’s my take on it.@This guy: sure. I encourage open discourse between any number of ideologies, and wish it would happen more often. Sadly, most people just don’t care and don’t take the time to prepare and commit to an open debate any more. I’ll be among the first to admit that President Obama isn’t everything America had hoped he’d be, but he’s a hell of a lot better than John McCain, or Michelle Bachmann, or Newt Gingrich, or any other Republican who is now running or wanted to run for president in the past 20 years.Just sayin’.


trey speyrer
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:57 am Anyone who has taken a civics class could win a debate on the Constitution of the United States against Bachmann. It is unfortunate that sometimes even though a candidate is qualified on paper they aren’t qualified for the role.


THIS IS NEWS?
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:59 am @ “Carl”:We get it. You’re agnostic. Congrats. Reminder: there are non-religious GOP members just as there are many religious liberals. But I guess we’re all idiots compared to an enlightened mind like yours, no?


Wayne E. Pfeffer
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:06 am I too am from Minnesota and sadly am represented by this person. I didn’t vote for her. I applaud this girl for calling Rep. Bachman out. I want this debate to happen and hopefully we can get her out of the HoR.As far as you people whining about “elitist” intellectuals, it’s because of people like you that we have people like Rep. Bachman in office. What is so “elitist” about being intelligent? Is it because we are smarter than you? Is it because we are able to point out the flaws in your logic, as well as ours when it happens? Is it because we are able to call into question your beliefs? Is it because we are able to make you like the idiots you are?I am so tired of you people making it seem like a bad thing when someone has an I.Q. higher than average. If you would sit down and crack a book open instead of a beer, open “The Origin of Species” instead of the “Bible”, maybe, just maybe you might learn something and open your mind to something other than blind faith.


John Y
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:07 am Don’t underestimate how well sophmores can write. I think she is smart and I would love to see it happen. Don’t think Bachmann people will let her do it, but think Michele on her own would bite.


Kurtisle
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:17 am I challenge Jr. High and High Schoolers throughout this nation to do the same. Tell the truth, and show what little our “leaders” actually know, and the deliberate lies they use to sway votes and public opinion. It’s about time the younger generation teaches them a leason they’ll never forget or get over.


Maddie
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:20 am @This Is News? Knock it off instigator!We should be proud of this girl and hope that Bachmann, whether you like her or not, steps up to the challenge. I can see Obama stepping up to the challenge if he were known for this kind of ignorance, of which he’s not.


Kurtisle
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:21 am Now, if the “News” Netwroks would allow the same, we can expose them as the lying, cheating, know-nothings they are! But, alas, I doubt you could get Bill O, Hannity, Beck, or the others to be publically humiliated by a teenager. They haven’t go the balls.


John Palmkvistt
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:22 am Michelle Bachman is a carry-over from the 2nd Bush presidency that requires Republicans to speak like ignorant asses in public. She is not, unfortunately, the only national embarrassment that Minnesota must endure. Will the Republicans ever try to lead with intelligent conceptual premises, or does their base require a very, very low standard?


Alicia
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:25 am Regardless if Michelle Bachman is Rep. or Dem…..this high schooler’s letter is RIGHT ON THE MONEY!!!! By the way, I’m from MN and am embarrassed by Ms. Bachman.


LJSearles
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:34 am C’mon now, there is no way Bachmann will do this. You’re all assuming she can actually read and comprehend the letter Amy wrote.


chlost
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:38 am Ms. Bachmann will never openly debate anyone. She knows that she cannot match anyone in anything which would require her to think and answer “on her feet”. She is only interested in sound bites for right-wing media consumption. I (unfortunately) reside in her district. She does not even respond to constituent requests, let alone debates with intelligent East Coast students.


Allen
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:44 am I personally challenge Challenge Nancy Pelosi to a debate regarding the Constitution of the United States.What, nobody cares when a conservative challenges a liberal?


skeptic buster
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:47 am To whoever is doubting that a sophomore in highschool could write this…it’s called being smart. Young adults are not children. There are a few lucky souls who read books, newspapers, the half of the internet that isn’t filled with stupidity, and are actually an intelligent person. It is ridiculous you people are applauding a student for being a student. Regardless I commend her on her actions (not her writing) because that is a very brave and pretty f***ing cool. I too hope this happens. Oh and whoever typed up the letter misspelled following “…submit the follow challenge,…” it might have been her, who knows but if someone over there in Minnesota could fix that I would be delighted!


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665 (Neighbor of the Beast)
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:50 am Bless you, Amy –Stunning letter, and brilliant approach.Behind you all the way!“Won’t you be my neighbor!?”


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:50 am It would be nice if Amy would provide some real inaccuracies of fact, misapplication of facts or lack of Constitutional knowledge by Bachmann. I’ve heard the woman speak many times and she seems to have a pretty darn good grasp of the Constitution. As someone currently working through law school and someone who has attempted to become well-read on the subject of Constitutionality, I would like to see a little of what Amy brings to the table for such a debate before I support her attempts.


maggiev77
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:52 am If there were more students like Amy Myers, this country might survive. Alleluia that she is asking to take on one of the biggest mouths in the political arena. The empty barrels make the most noise and Michelle Bachmann truly falls into the empty barrel category.


Yoni,
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:06 pm She very well may be incorrect, on her disposition of Bachmann, but that’s what a debate is for. I personally find Bachmann to be an absolute git, but hey, let’s see what this girl has to say, 🙂 I wouldn’t mind working for her on political staff team (her meaning Amy).


Dog is my shepherd
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:12 pm @ Meiden, as a not-so-recent law school graduate, all I can say is, pay more attention to your con-law professor and less time listening to Bachmann, and you may end up knowing what the Constitution is and is not.


Derp
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:16 pm Geekmaster Tuck– I think you meant “aisle.” 😛


Nobody
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:18 pm Some hater wrote: “So would you all be cheering if some conservative sophomore asked Obama to the same debate? …. Not news though.”I wouldn’t cheer, but I would consider it news. On the other hand, Obama wouldn’t have anything to worry about in such a debate.The haters like to forget that Obama taught constitutional law at the top-rated conservative law school in the country. I suspect he knows how to debate eager young conservatives pretty well. They may still not agree with his positions after all is said and done, but they won’t call him out for not knowing the material.(And Trolly Trollington, please don’t trot out the “57 states” slip of the tongue. Conservatives and liberals alike will munge their words when their tired. Several of Bachmann’s mistakes go way beyond a simple mistatment like that.)


Nobody
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:19 pm Oops, I meant “they’re tired” not “their tired”.I are tired.


Carl
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:23 pm Religious conservatives fear smart, well educated people. Thus their war on public schools, higher education and science. I can’t help that their mythology crumbled 300 years ago and they are slow to catch on. I can, however, work to prevent a socio-political back slide to the dark ages which Michele represents. Good job Amy!Praise Jebus, God hates knowledge, Amen.


Argyle
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:24 pm She won’t accept. Like most republicans she is a stranger to the truth.


LibertyGuy
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:25 pm My money is on Amy too. It’s weighted in her favor to begin with, since she will be engaged in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.


plenter
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:29 pm @maggiev77Bachmann’s misreading of the Constitution is fairly famous and well-documented. Her statements on the census, representational democracy, and the history of the framing of the Constitution show that she knows little of which she speaks, and – even worse – is willing to repeat the falsehoods again and again.Miss Myers could have pointed out specific instances, but her letter would have run pages long. As it is, that info is widely available in newspapers and on the internet, and in the text of Bachmann’s speeches.


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:30 pm @Dog…I pay attention well enough but thank you for your concern. What I wonder though is how strong you reasoning skills are given it seems that should I be missing some clear cut Constitutional misstatements by Bachmann than I must not be listening to her enough. You though show faulty reasonsing in charging that I listen to her too much. Your law professors must have cringed with that kind of conditional reasoning…Is there something specific in which Bachmann has said you’d like to debate with me here? It would be nice for once to have a specific example or two of these blatant gaffes.


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:32 pm @Nobody…Harvard a “conservative law school”??? Not that there is a conservative law school in the country but certainly Harvard is nowhere near conservative.


letdowntourist
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:39 pm @MeidenYou clearly have reading comprehension issues, which is not surprising if you have the audacity to defend Bachmann. I’d like any evidence that anything Michelle Bachmann has ever said has been true.http://www.politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/Womp Womp.


Carl
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:40 pm @Meiden-Fact check. You wrote, “Not that there is a conservative law school in the country…” And yet Michele got her JD from (ahem) Oral Roberts University.Praise Jebus, God hates the liberal arts, Amen.


Patty Cake
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:40 pm Amy you have proven that our public school system works. I wish Michele Bachman would take you up on the challenge too. I hope you ask Sarah Palin to do the same after all she can see Russia from her house. They both need to go back to school. They are an embarrassment to America.


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:44 pm @Carl…good point…I should have done a better job at qualifiying my statement by specifying “elite” law schools. Notwithstanding the hyperbole of stating NO law schools are conservative…elite law schools which are conservative by nature are extremely rare.


BigBadHarley
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:46 pm Dear Nobody,With regards to your Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:18 pm. Calling out Trolly Trollington for a typo, when in fact, your misspelling of the word misstatement shows a clear misunderstanding of the English language. Go Amy!!!


Ry
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:47 pm Wow, this would just be unfair for the congresswoman.


Jim
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:49 pm You are a smart, articulate young woman with a very bright future. Rep. Bachmann should fear your challenge.


mmgrant
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:51 pm Bachmann is scared.


OMG
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:56 pm I wish she would show examples where she thinks Representative Bachmann is wrong so we could determine whether or not she deserve the praise she is getting on this site. For all we know, she had help in writing the letter. Though I will point out that Cherry Hills East does have a good education program per Wikipedia.


jimugly
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:56 pm @ Carl.Good grief man, are you that ignorant? “I can’t help that their mythology crumbled 300 years ago and they are slow to catch on…” What’s with that dribble. I assume by “mythology” you’re referring to Darwin’s theory of evolution. In case you haven’t noticed, the more “science” discovers the more his theory and the theories build around it start to crumble. Just look at the how blood coagulates, the solar system, the DNA replication process and all the machines specifically purposed within a single cell, the water cycle, string theory, the eyeball and, for that matter, the feathers of a peacock in full array. There is a point of irreducable complexity to all these systems to and, I would argure, that if you take away one simple function, the whole fails. How many tries did it take for an specific species have to bleed to death before it figured out how to coagulate its blood? In DNA replication, well, forget the process, how did evolution figure out such a complex information systems? Where did the individual code pieces come from? The peacock has such beautiful feathers, but I wonder how much time passed and how many fell victim to predators before figuring out that it’s tail feathers can look like scores of eyeballs and scare away an aggressor? So, how did this all just happen to come about? They all seem so specifically designed as if they somehow have a designer that designed them for a purpose…Oh, wait, forget I said that. Such a statement assume that everything has a designer – that we live in a world that we are supposed to believe came to be through chaotic random forces working together over a gazillion years. Somehow nothing-nothing became something, blew up and became an organized everything. Or perhaps Panspermia happened on this earth…but that would assume nothing-nothing became something in some other far off galaxy. All we have to do to perpetuate this Darwin’s theories is to continue to add time to the problem delaying the inevitable conclusion staring everyone the face – we are designed. So, if designed then therefore, a designer. Who could that be? Well, I do believe you referred to that as mythology, Sir. I would surmise to you that it is the basis of your science and your presuppositions on the origins of species that are crumbling and hanging on by a thread.


CF the Factor
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:58 pm (insert valley girl voice)as much as i am sure you can debate the constitution, and as much as i can not stand the person you have challenged.you are in cherry hill, of course the quality of education is great, your town pays an average of $7,282 per home in property taxes per year. most of america does not have that kind of tax base to draw from. i hope you put your great education to use in a poor community that needs your help when you finish college.


Rob
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:58 pm You go girl, this letter made my day!


Jimmy Cracks Capricorns
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:58 pm Naaaaaaaaaild iiiiit!!!!


JPJ
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:59 pm @MeidenObama taught at Chicago, not Harvard.


Bill Dinker
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:00 pm Minnesota can really pick winners! :thumbsup


Alecta
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:02 pm I too find the suggestion that Ms Myers’ writing is above grade level questionable. However, what grade level writing should be, and what it is in most US schools is another matter. Given that many teachers and parents can neither spell nor compose a literate sentence, Ms Myers may indeed appear exceptional.
To me, though, the thought that any high school sophomore shouldn’t be expected to be able to compose a clear and well written letter is horrifying. The dumbing down of America so that the illiterate and ignorant can feel better about themselves is creating a nation of self-righteous, gullible fools. A nation of these fools is what the conservatives want, because fools accept whatever they’re told. Like “no new taxes”, WMD in Iraq, grow 5 inches!, etc.
Reading, education, literacy are the very best things that we can give our children!!! Without the ability to think and reason critically, nothing else matters.


ycarolio
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:04 pm Who voted for Bachmann? Minnesotans must be ignorant. At least the ones from her district.


Alan
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:12 pm Wow, such animosity on this site towards Michelle Bachmann. With such vitriol spewing from the keyboards of the majority of posters one would have to assume Michelle is doing something right and is a threat to Minnesota Independent readers in one form or another. Further more, constantly be a target of liberal hackers also indicates she’s a threat to be reckoned with.The letter from Amy was an interesting and courageous gesture. However, Amy will soon learn that New Jersey values and interpretations of the Constitution are not immune from subjectivity. Given her age and assumed lack of life experience, one has to assume she’s echoing the opinions of the voices around her. I’m not challenging her intellect at all. There is, however, another perspective outside Cherry Hill and NJ in general.


JESSICA M. KARMASEK
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:13 pm If we include “Constitutional scholar” Barak Hussein Ubama in the debate, I’m in!


Carl
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:15 pm @jimugly,Volume is no substitute for accuracy and zealotry no excuse for ignorance. I can’t help that, in the search for knowledge, humans long ago disproved your fairy tales. However, I can work to prevent their imposition on a free and informed society.Praise Jebus, God hates education, Amen.


HostileLogic
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:18 pm Amy’s failure to address her challenge to the entire political class in Washington shows ample evidence of an immature, deluded mind.


LA LYDIA
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:18 pm Why is this even a story? Who cares what some random high school sophomore, whose parents must have give her an overblown sense of her own importance, thinks? Or says? Why should Bachman even acknowledge her existence? What kind of “newspaper” is the Minnesota Independent, anyway? There is this concept called “news judgment”….


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:18 pm @letdown…perhaps it is you who have trouble with comprehension. Re-read my first comment on this topic…for your edification included here “It would be nice if Amy would provide some real inaccuracies of fact, misapplication of facts or lack of Constitutional knowledge by Bachmann.” Did Amy provide any examples?BIrkey provided two…one by Politifact, a liberal organization, who reached in an attempt to prove Bachmann wrong about her stance on the Census. I agree with Bachmann here that Article 1, Section 2 states that the Constitution calls for an ENUMERATION to be held once every 10 years. If you further look at the purpose of the census (apportionment of the number of House seats) then it is clear that questions such as race, income, etc. are not necessary and should be unconstitutional. Politifact, as usual, tries to use Supreme Court cases supporting Congress’ power to ask other questions as the reason Bachmann is wrong. Would Politifact been right in supporting slavery prior to Dred Scott?Finally, to show how long Politifact’s “arms” must be in reaching, they used the 1790 Census to support their claim. Of course that Census needed to ask about race because there was a different measure of counting done for slaves and women as women could not fight in the war. Both sets of “alternative questions” had to do with the same purpose…enumeration of people to support determination of representatives.Now bottom line, Bachmann (and I) could end up being wrong in this case but Politifact’s claim she is “lying” or Birkey’s use of this as an example is just plain reaching. It is a very real and completely reasonable discussion and in no way is a castigation of Bachmann’s understanding of the Constitution.


Mereswin
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:22 pm All right Amy Myers you get a hi-5 from me.


Glenn Koons, LB, Ca.
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:28 pm Liberals love to challange any conserv with their yutes. Oh gee, the kid thinks she is a revolutionary liberal who really really really knows what the Const. says as long as it …..approves of leftist Dem socialist politics, policies and agendas. Oh puleeze. Only Minn. Dems could think this is really really really neat. They elect a nute like Ellison , love Amy, but hate Tim Paws and Michelle. LOL If you want to see how our Const. even for Minn. Dems has been exploited, just look at the 2.7 yrs. of Bama’s regime. Good heavens, stop the baloney and see the reality of Obamacare, stopping energy use, supporting the NEA brainwashers, telling Boeing ,oil companies, any legal corporation where they can build or how they can sell a legal product. If one lists all the un-Const.efforts by Obama, liberal Dems would be screaming for his impeachment not a debate from a liberal kid who has been brainwashed already by NEA union thugs.


Mike
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:32 pm Obviously no contest – Bachmann hasn’t pieced together that many coherent words in her life!


Tess
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:32 pm I would suspect that many elected officials really don’t understand the Constitution as they’d like us to believe. For example, we here in Wisconsin have seen what happens when elected officials either don’t understand or completely disregard the Constitution (both federal and state).When you ask most people to recite the First Amendment to you, at most you’ll get freedom of speech/press, religion, and the right to assemble. However, many (if not most) either forget or don’t know the most important part of the First Amendment, which is probably the heart and soul of our government. The part that most forget is “and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” We here in Wisconsin saw that part completely ignored, as we the people were locked out of “our house” in Madison.As a Minnesota native, I would gladly like to see this debate happen. Of course Bachmann will somehow turn this challenge into another reason why our public schools are a mess. God forbid a kid actually learns something in a public school. When kids DO learn, that’s when the right gets nervous. Education and intelligence are the true threat to the right.


MNMAN
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:32 pm Come on Michelle, go show what a knob you are! Don’t wait until the debates.


jimugly
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:37 pm @Carl.
You didn’t answer the questions I posed. Furthermore, please elaborate on how my “fairy” tales have been disproven? Sounds to me like you’re the one who is counting on your own zealotry as an excuse for ignorance. So, please, without further ado, answer the questions. Or, I could simply ask you to explain why and how “dirt,” or matter exists?


Tess
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:46 pm @ Glenn Koons….I see you’re the king of originality. Yep, teachers = union thugs. Seriously, you need some new material.


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Tammy Terrell
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:55 pm Michelle Bachmann is just as qualified to be president with more experience than the community organizer in the WH right now. We have been lied to, lectured, and treated as dumb sheep by this arrogant narcissist who claims such intelligence but who cannot make a speech without a teleprompter with words he has not written. I find it baffling that anyone voted for this racist. What has she said about the Constitution that is not true? To debate a high schooler is just laughable. Why should she give an audience for her? I would have Michelle debate Obama. Between his er’s and ah’s, without a teleprompter you will see just what a lightweight he really is. HE”S the problem and Michelle is addressing the issues this joke of a president has gotten us in.


Amy not Myers
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 1:58 pm Wow, Glenn Koons. Your really really really goode at makin’ ur point and at abbr. words.Amy Myers – you give me hope in the future of this country. Thank you.


Janet
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:00 pm A high school sophmore….what a wonderful thing to see the youth, who are so often maligned by “adults”, take a stand for something so important and which will impact their own lives every day into the future. Personally I believe that Amy has already won the challenge by her willingness to reach for the stars and demand her voice be heard. To Amy’s parents….you’ve done what every parents goal is….to raise a child to become a responsible adult. Kudos!


craig tooomey
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:06 pm Amy sounds hot. I would do her.


Uncle Sam
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:08 pm Um, Tammy
Enough already with the teleprompter insult. I have seen Obama’s town hall meetings. I have seen him in interviews. You do know he doesn’t read off a teleprompter for those, do you not?
You are also aware that Obama was the President of Harvard Law Review?
If you think Bachmann is fit to even wipe Obama’s shoes, you are plainly an idiot, as well as a racist.


back man
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:09 pm good god MN has some screwed up people if they think Michelle Bachmann properly represents their views. Wasn’t this the lady that claimed the batlle of Lexington and Concord took place in NH? I think my dog could win a debate against that troglodyte. Li


Jimbo
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:09 pm To skeptical and others. There are a few, very few spelling mistakes in the letter that disprove you birther ……oh wait this is a new conspiracy in your heads……that this letter is “too” well written. It is well written and the very few spelling mistakes prove it to be from a 10th grader (smart 10th grader)


GraciesDaddy
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:10 pm My favorite part from Amy’s letter”“As one of a handful of women in Congress, you hold a distinct privilege and responsibility to better represent your gender nationally.”One question though, Amy: When did “idiot” become a GENDER??


Hank Hayes
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:10 pm Why not give a few examples of the “frequent inability you have shown to accurately and factually present even the most basic information about the United States?”Oh, because the kid and her handlers are only interested in making the grand gesture, instead of providing even a crumb of substance to their accusations…


chuck miley
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:14 pm Brava for the young woman! I’ll take it further. Any candidate for public office, local, state or national, should have to pass a high school senior civics/social studies exam on the structure, history and workings of our government to be allow to run for the office they seek . Can’t pass the test? Sorry, then you don’t know enought to lead your community or state, or nation. Volunteer in government until you can past the test.


Paul
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:16 pm Tammy Terrell…What planet do you live on?


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:18 pm @Tess…I love how this argument always turns to education being a threat to the right. Not sure what that even means but this conservative would love to see an informed and educated populace. If we ever saw that day you would see a dramatically diffferent federal government pared back as to only providing those services enumarated in the Constitution. Any additional government services could be provided by the state or local government as so decided by the people of that area.This conservative would absolutely welcome an educated citizenry!


Brendon
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:19 pm After that she could take on Palin. Kick butt Amy!!!


Andre Richards
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:19 pm I truly admire the spirit behind this proposal but there would most likely be 1 of 2 disappointing outcomes here.1. Bachman ignores the invitation. I suspect this is what will happen.2. Bachman accepts, but spends a week or so prepping with some hired consultants, the same types who prep presidential candidates for debates, and then lay waste to her opponent in the debate, thus “proving” herself to all doubters.Regardless, Amy Myers should rest assured that many of us share the frustration and outrage of seeing a person in Bachman’s position behave so dishonorably by continually warping and misrepresenting the Constitution and its intent–all to serve a pathetic political agenda. Cheers to you, Amy! You are not alone.


Jexie
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:20 pm This is pointless – Michelle Bachman can’t read!


Janet_Reyes
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:21 pm OMG!!! LOLOL!! I would pay good money to see this! Oh, if only…
Way to go, Amy!


chuck miley
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:22 pm @ Koons – Still support the free corporatE lack of citizenship of GE, Exxon, BP and the others who do not take responsibility for their actions and DON’T PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES?!!!!


Snatch
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:22 pm Michelle Bachmann is the intellectual lesser of a 3rd grader. She wouldn’t stand a chance.


KarenT
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:22 pm A Facebook page has been started to ask Michelle Bachmann to debate Amy. Please “Like” the page and share!http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ask-Rep-Michele-Bachmann-to-Debate-Amy-Myers/211238175564277


Ken in MN
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:24 pm @ Tammy Terrell: HA! At least Obama looks at the correct camera! (And, for the record, you need to get out more…)


Beyond Truth
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:24 pm Perhaps they can hold the debate in one of the 57 States our President visited, during his campaig…


Ge0ffrey
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:26 pm Lefties are, by and large, anti-Christian bigots.


Paul
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:27 pm Tammy Terrell…..Why are folks like you so proud of your ignorance?Bachmann IS an intellectual lightweight and a fear mongerer. People like you bought into the garbage she spews.So…The President is a racist?!? Ok, whatever. A little projection there, Tammy? (Sorry for the ‘elitist’ reference).Teleprompter?!?! You all are still on that? Wake up. Every President uses it.

Issues he’s gotten us into?!?! Well, of the $14 trillion deficit we have, $10 trillion was attributablt to Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. Are you angry at them? Were you angry at Reagan when he said “deficits don’t matter”?

I’d get writer’s cramp pointing out some pesky facts to you about the successes under President Obama, (more private sector jobs under him in 2 years than under Bush in 8 years, etc.). Oh yeah, and which President got bin Laden? The one with the swagger and tough talk, or the one who doesn’t pound his chest all the time?

Speaking of facts, look up or Google “August 6 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing” and see what “issues” a president got us into.

Lastly, I’d love to see this high school girl debate you.


Dewey
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:30 pm Tammy Terrell-
Do you honestly think GWB wrote even 1 of those stupid words he read over the course of 8 years?
Please. Its people like you who harp of the pettiest of crap like teleprompters, and his being a community organizer, that make me wonder what you represent. Are you for 98% of Americans struggling to make the best of their lives, or are you for the 2% who are trying to break us all?
You nauseate me, Tammy. Absolutely you do.


chuck miley
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:31 pm Reading through a the comments I am struck by the number of adults who are threatened by this young woman. They attempt to dismiss her, minimize her and put her intellligence and passion down.
HEY! People we whould be celebrating this young woman. We don’t even know her political beliefs save that she finds stupidity in high places unacceptable.
I say Hip-hip hooray for Amy! And I pray that more informed students, progressive and conservative, challenge all leaders at all levels.
Remember, it was a child that told the truth about the emporor’s new clothes.


Help! I’m surrounded by clowns!
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:37 pm If Amy is honestly concerned about the “causes and viewpoints” held by women in Congress and their “distinct privilege and responsibility to better represent (their) gender nationally” when it concerns a lack of knowledge regarding the Constitution, she may want to start with Nancy “Are you serious?! Are you serious?!” Pelosi.
But the comments here are entertaining.
And about what I’d expect from a group that apparently considers Politifact a reputable source while accusing others of relying on “talking points”. To funny!


muchadoaboutstupid
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:39 pm @ jimuglyI didn’t read the whole comment thread, but just how did a conversation about the constitution turn into a debate about religion/evolution? This is probably the surest sign that creationism/intelligent design is a BS theory: you are trying to enact laws to get it taught in classrooms. I don’t think I’ve seen a physics professor petition the courts to make teaching about gravity acceptable in schools, nor have a seen chemist do the same with redox reactions. There is a reason that scientists/teachers have no problem teaching evolution… because, to the best of our combined scientific knowledge, it is the TRUTH. Not a theory, not a supposition, not something to be accepted on faith, the Truth.The fact that ID-proponents are seeking “special status” despite having ABSOLUTELY NO credible evidence for their theory exposes it as the scam it is… You do not need a law to protect a theory unless that theory has already been discredited (which yours most assuredly has been, multiple times).And don’t try to back-peddle here; there has not been ANY published peer-reviewed material supporting ID/creationism… None. See here: http://www.reduciblycomplex.com/index.php/evidence-for-creation-debunked/ for anything I may have missed…


CJC
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:42 pm Well that seems tremendously unfair. How is Bachmann supposed to shine in a situation where she has to use actual facts and logic?


Mary McQuire
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:46 pm @Hank Hayes…please. Are you the only person in the USA that doesn’t know what a fool Bachmann is???


Carl
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:46 pm @jimugly-You didn’t present an argument. You babbled about how the complex make-up of the universe is inconceivable to you without assuming a creator. This was basically Augustine’s “proof” of god’s existence, specifically, the world didn’t make sense to him unless he assumed god exists; a pre-medeival (and pre-scientific) philosophy to which you still cling.But I say assuming something does not make it true nor should the rest of us be caged by your intellectual limitations. So, take your limited capacity to accept complexity, fill in the rest of the ridiculous Judeo/Christian/Islamic narrative with details from their respective source material, and you have the fully fleshed fairy tales to which I refer. The onus of proof is on you, not me.Praise Jebus, God hates smart people, Amen.


Mary McQuire
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:48 pm @ Allen…Pelosi is smart. You, are not. Proven by your silly comment.


Carl
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:49 pm @Ge0ffrey-Religious people are, by and large, willfully ignorant.Praise Jebus, God hates complex human thought, Amen.


Disgusted American
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:50 pm Michele Bachmann won’t have the Ballz to dare go against this girl………this girl sounds knowledgable…….unlike Backmannn who just spouts whatever falls off her lips,and comes from the GOP and FOX (same thing) talking points…Id pay to see this……GO AMY! GO AMY!


Help! I’m surrounded by clowns!
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:53 pm rather, it would be “too” funny, if it weren’t soo sad. 😉


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:54 pm @Mary…if there is one person in Congress who knows less about the Consitution than Pelosi, it would be news to me. This woman has said so many things which show she has either a complete lack of understanding of what was written in the Constitution or a complete disregard for the content. “We have to vote it into law before we know what is in it”????? My goodness that point is one of the best points on this board. If Amy is really concerned she ought to be calling Ms. Pelosi to the carpet! Bachmann looks like a Constitutional scholar next to that bloody idiot.


Mary McQuire
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:54 pm @ Tammy Terrell… You drank the kool-aid and there is nothing anyone can do to help you. You are on of those Obama haters and will never be open to anything that does not criticize him. I don’t know how far your hate goes but I am glad you are not my neighbor.


Bob Van Wagner
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:55 pm I challenge Amy Myers to a debate at her High School. The topic I would like to debate is the specific statements of Representative Bachmann regarding the Constitution that the young Miss Myers is challenging.I too have followed Representative Bachmann’s public statements in recent years, I am at a complete loss to find any significant problem with them, and as best I can recollect I remember her statements on Constitutional matters to represent the Founder’s intents quite admirably.Of course, to debate, Miss Amy Myers, would have to make her complaints against Representative Bachmann specific and not as the generalized slander that they now stand.


Thinkaboutit
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:55 pm It is a sad day when Americans would utilize a soapbox such as this to snipe the opposing political party. Can’t we all be grateful to see an American teen off of a social media site and engaged in the patriotic act of questioning a politician? We have come to far away from examining the difference between right and wrong and how our actions effect the well being of other Americans and choose instead to cast our lot (regardless of the issue or impact) with whatever “side” we want to win – foolishly accepting the bad with the good of that behavior. We, as Americans, have forgotten our right (read responsibility) to question those who would govern us. Thus losing a major part of what makes us American.
I applaud Amy for getting it right. And shame on those of us who would discourage her from challenging a public servant and demanding she answer for misleading the public. Thank you Amy for understanding the American spirit and reminding us all of our responsibility, party lines aside.


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Ginny jn CO
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:57 pm I also have a bright, articulate, well educated daughter. Despite her major dyslexia and a public education, she could write a letter almost as well as Amy at about that age.I am also thrilled to see a student like Amy challenge Ms Bachman. Being familiar with the Constitution myself, and active in politics for decades; it is wonderful to know there are high school students that understand what is happening to the country before they can vote to change it. Calling attention to Michelle’s statements, may wake up a few older Americans who can vote but haven’t bothered or weren’t informed.I also appreciate her awareness that when women are in the limelight for being in a job that had been restricted to (white) men, being anything less than very good is a problem in eradicating the continuing systematic disenfranchisement of women. I am an RN, I know a LOT about that.Amy, thanks for making the effort. I think Ms Bachman should take you up. As noted many times it is highly unlikely.

Kudos to the people of NJ for understanding the importance of the public education system and not voting down their taxes to support it. Colorado ranks about 49th in education. Due to the additional tutorial and technological support we provided our daughter, she is an honors student at Colorado School of Mines (invited and accepted into Tau Beta Pi, the National Engineering Honor Society). Instead of working the skilled labor job her high school advisors kept trying to steer her into, she will make a far higher salary and pay far more in taxes, her entire life. She is quite agreeable to that.


Mary McQuire
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:57 pm @Meiden…you are entitled to your opinion but most of the country knows Bachmann is an embarrassment to her gender, her state, and to her office. Someday the light bulb may go off for you, too.


Mary McQuire
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:58 pm @Meiden…you are entitled to your opinion but most of the country knows Bachmann is an embarrassment to her gender, her state, and to her office. Hope the light bulb goes off for you someday.


Help! I’m surrounded by clowns!
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 2:59 pm @Mary McQuire
re: light bulb
It sounds like yours has been off for a long time…


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:00 pm @Mary…please point me to the poll taken that shows that Bachmann is “an embarrassment to her gender, her state, and to her office”. Better yet show me what makes her those things so that light bulb has a chance of going off for me.I can give you a list of things that show unequivicably that Pelosi is a dimbulb.


Drenda Lawton
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:00 pm I can’t tell you how happy this makes an old gal like me…..kudos to Amy and all the others out there just waiting for their turn…..


Mary McQuire
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:01 pm @Meiden…so clever. Sounds like something my 12 year old would say back at me.


Mary McQuire
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:02 pm @Meiden….listen to something besides FOX, Beck, and Hannity and you may become informed.


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:02 pm @Mary…still waiting for you to put some proof behind your pudding. Nice attempt at obfuscation though.


Drenda Lawton
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:02 pm @Mary….SPOT ON, honey…..I’m glad Tammy is NOT my neighbor also….the heart of her problem is the problem of her heart….


Mary McQuire
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:04 pm @Meiden…big word that “Obfuscation” Did you use the dictionary?


Anon
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:04 pm As a 10th grade English teacher, I can assertively say that Amy’s writing is far beyond average. I’m sure she’s a very gifted student and I’m glad to see her taking an interest in the world around her. I support this 100%, and so should anyone who’d like to see this country move away from its idolization of the mediocrity.


Help! I’m surrounded by clowns!
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:05 pm At least your 12 year old still has her light on.
That’s good to hear, because her mom is in the dark.


marie
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:05 pm 1. “I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I’m not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it’s an interesting coincidence.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, on the 1976 Swine Flu outbreak that happened when Gerald Ford, a Republican, was president, April 28, 20092. “I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out: Are they pro-America or anti-America?” -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, calling for a new McCarthyism, Oct. 20083. “Take this into consideration. If we look at American history, between 1942 and 1947, the data that was collected by the Census Bureau was handed over to the FBI and other organizations at the request of President Roosevelt, and that’s how the Japanese were rounded up and put into the internment camps. I’m not saying that that’s what the Administration is planning to do, but I am saying that private personal information that was given to the Census Bureau in the 1940s was used against Americans to round them up, in a violation of their constitutional rights, and put the Japanese in internment camps.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, June 20094. “During the last 100 days we have seen an orgy. It would make any local smorgasbord embarrassed … The government spent its wad by April 26.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, accusing the Obama administration of premature fiscal ejaculation, May 2009

5. “That’s why people need to continue to go to the town halls, continue to melt the phone lines of their liberal members of Congress, and let them know, under no certain circumstances will I give the government control over my body and my health care decisions.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), a pro-lifer who completely missed the irony of using the same slogan as the pro-choice movement in arguing against health care reform

6. “Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.” -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, April, 2009

7. “There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, Oct. 2006

8. “I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us ‘having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,’ and the people — we the people — are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country.” -Rep. Rep. Michele Bachmann, March 2009

9. “Does that mean that someone’s 13-year-old daughter could walk into a sex clinic, have a pregnancy test done, be taken away to the local Planned Parenthood abortion clinic, have their abortion, be back and go home on the school bus? That night, mom and dad are never the wiser.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, on health care reform’s potential to dupe parents, October 2009

10. “I don’t know where they’re going to get all this money because we’re running out of rich people in this country.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, accusing the Obama administration of plotting to divert money from Republican to Democratic districts and planning to tax the wealthy to fund the windfalls, Feb. 2009


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:05 pm @Mary…how about a daily listen to Maddow or my wake up to Morning Joe? Maybe it would impress you that my FM dial is preset to NPR. All of those fill my airways far more than blowhards Beck and Hannity. I am a Constitutionalist…not a Republican.Again..keep trying at the obfuscation instead of offering me something of substance behind your dispersions.


Another Mark
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:06 pm Way to go Amy! Let truth and justice shine all over the dark, ignorant, and purposely misleading world of Rep. Bachmann.


alberta de la fuente
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:06 pm WOOOOOOWWWWWWW……..yet another high-schooler defying the establishment…!! i like it…!! this would not have anything to do with the recent uprising in youngsters against educational authority would it…???


marie
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:08 pm Yep, those are statements from the best of the best.


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:09 pm @marie…not show what that list proves as I see nothing directly challenging Bachmann’s understanding of the Constitution. The closest I see is her stance on abortion. Her stance here is very close to many, many very smart legal scholars who also feel the way she feels. Nothing truly settled on that front either.Oh…and Mary…that list was a very good illustration of obfuscation….no dictionary needed.


Carl
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:10 pm @Meiden-I’ll bet Amy knows “unequivicably” isn’t a word… Sorry, I just had to.And I love how the tea partiers and fundamentalists are so offended about this debate challenge. I suspect deep down they know the risk and it frightens them.Praise Jebus, God hates public debates, Amen.


Mary McQuire
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:11 pm @meiden…from one of your own“She makes Sarah Palin look like Count Metternich,” groaned longtime GOP consultant Mike Murphy on Twitter after reading about the Concord confusion.Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51179.html#ixzz1MGVYx2PV


Vinnie
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:12 pm Author didn’t mention that all the Washington democrats who got the same letter turned her down……LOL!


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:14 pm @Mary…what does that have to do with our discussion regarding Bachmann’s knowledge of the Constitution?


Mary McQuire
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:14 pm @ Meiden…you are so transparent. You really think anyone here believes you listen to NPR??!!! Good try, but no cigar.


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:15 pm @Carl…that’s what I get for rushing! 🙂 As you (and probably Amy) likely know…unequivocally…is the correct spelling/word I was looking for.


marie
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:15 pm @Meidenit places forth facts that her own party thinks she is a joke and would not bet on her winning a debate.


Andre Richards
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:18 pm “Lefties are, by and large, anti-Christian bigots.”The irony of that comment is absolutely priceless.


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:18 pm @Mary…Listen to Morning Edition every morning on the way to work. Would you like to talk about the story on Rex Ryan on this morning? I found that quite interesting.


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:20 pm @marie…not sure that is a good bet. The debate would be on the Constitution and that list showed virtually nothing about her views on that subject.


Andre Richards
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:21 pm “I personally challenge Challenge Nancy Pelosi to a debate regarding the Constitution of the United States. What, nobody cares when a conservative challenges a liberal?”Nobody cares when it’s done flippantly on a discussion board with a two sentence explanation by someone who is just trying to take a petty slap at others he disagrees with.Sucks to be outclassed by a high school kid, huh?


Meiden
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:21 pm @marieNot sure how that list shows how well she’d debate on the Constitution. That would be like me saying you shouldn’t bet on the Packers winning a football game because they lost 10 games of chess in a row.


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Mn6’r
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:26 pm What amazes me is that the defenders of Bachmann attack Amy for being a fake while not defending Bachmann as being a constitutional scholar.I am from Bachmann’s district, know her, and unlike the fools who blindly support her, I am convinced by personal interaction with her that she is, in fact a moron.


Eric Jacobson
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:26 pm I would love to see that crazy woman taken down a few pegs, especially by a high school sophomore. Maybe then we can be rid of Bachmann and those like her, who harm the country they profess to love so much…


Freeman Hunt
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:31 pm Why print this?If she’d included some examples, it would have been interesting. But she didn’t, so it’s not.An overlong way of saying, “I think you’re a mendacious idiot!”


Bogomilist
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:33 pm Article I Section II Clause III: “Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.”Enumeration of persons is all that is required by the Constitution


marie
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:34 pm @freemanI am ok with your shorter version of it. She is.


Wayne Lundberg
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:36 pm Go for it, Amy! Somebody has to keep them in line.


Seth
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:39 pm This made my day. Too bad Bachmann would be out of her depth against a 5 yr.old, so a 15 yr. old is clearly too much of a challenger. Amy Myers makes women, and men, proud in a way Bachmann is simply unable.


jimugly
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:40 pm @muchadoaboutstupid
Since you missed it and you admittedly did not read the whole thread, Carl decided to introduce religion into the debate with the age-old (and worn out) label that “Religious conservatives fear smart, well educated people. Thus their war on public schools, higher education and science. I can’t help that their mythology crumbled 300 years ago and they are slow to catch on. I can, however, work to prevent a socio-political back slide to the dark ages which Michele represents.”
As to your point that my comment somehow is a “sure sign” that Creationism/Intelligent design is BS theory…hmmm, well, I missed the connection – that logic does not compute. I will say that the proponents of intelligent design are arguing to get equal opportunity in the classroom because the evolutionary debate is far from settled. It would be prudent to allow both sides of an issue be taught so the topic can be dealt with in an honest measure. Evolution is by all means a faith proposition. Your are saying with all certainty that things just became to be from nothing-nothing without any force outside time and space. I will argue it takes less faith to believe in a Designer/Creator than it does to believe what you hold dear. There are many evolutionary proofs that been challenged as incomplete. One is the fossil record. Where are the transitional forms? Yes, we see many different fully formed fossils but nothing that would suggest micro-evolutionary changes over time. All are fully formed and by observation, look to have been viable. If evolution were as solid as you purport it to be, then we should see a great many more fossils to cover the gaps Darwin saw in his day. Here’s some quotes from the faith founder himself:“..The mumber of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed on the earth must be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratrum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graded organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest object which an be urged against my theory.”“The geological record is extremely imperfect and this fact will to a large extend explain why we do not find intermediate varieties connecting together all the extinct and existing forms of life by the finest graduated steps. He who rejects these views on the nature of the geological record, will rightly reject my whole theory.”As to the matter of intelligent design being discredited for having no credible evidence, well, I’ll just say that the mere appearance of design and purpose is evidence enough. The theory of evolution is still just a theory because it cannot simply adhere to a simple definition of science as found in the Oxford dictionary:

“Science: The systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.”

Evolution observed? Observed in a lab? I don’t think so…oh wait, the solution to this sticking point is to add more and more time to the explanation because with more time then it *could* happen the way evolutionary theory says, right?


Tess
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:51 pm If the right wasn’t afraid of education, we wouldn’t see the constant attack on public education. Those of us with a college degree (or higher) wouldn’t be labeled as “elite.” There was a time in this country where the right actually valued education.My grandparents were examples of that. Died in the wool Republicans, but they believed that education was a right not a luxury. My grandfather was the oldest of 12 children, and had to drop out of school after the fourth grade because he was needed on the farm. Even though he had little formal education, our public schools were so important to him that he was on his local school board, where he worked to make sure the schools of his kids and the kids of his neighbors had enough funding and quality educators. He worked to make sure all five of his kids not only finished high school, but that they all went on to earn college degrees. Three of the five (including my own mother) went on to become teachers. Needless to say, you didn’t attack education in my grandparent’s Republican household. We need more Republicans of that generation, not this current monstrosity.Public service is also no longer valued by the right. We’d rather demean the people who work at our public libraries, fill potholes, work as custodians in our public buildings. Hard working, tax paying public employees have become the enemy in our world, when instead the enemy label should be given to the corporations who shirk their civic duty when it comes to paying taxes all the while making record profits.


James
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 3:55 pm Hahaha… this Meiden guy is an idiot.


Wayne E. Pfeffer
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:00 pm @jimugly — Really? You can’t even properly spell one of the words that is core to your argument. It is “irreducible”, not “irreducable”.Maybe you should check out Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientific_societies_explicitly_rejecting_intelligent_design or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity#cite_note-2). And yes unlike the proponents of Intelligent(?) Design, the articles actually cite their sources.Can you back up your arguments with peer reviews?
Or, how about scientific experiments?
Maybe you could present us with a paper detailing how accredited scientists support your ID theory. Scientists who have had papers written on ID published in peer reviewed scientific journals. Until you ID people are able to argue with real, peer reviewed, published texts, you really need to stay in the shallow end of the gene pool.Any argument about scientific principles that is not able to support its self with actual, substantiated facts is to be dismissed out of hand. And before you think you have me here, Darwin’s theory of evolution does have its evidence and proof (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html).

Now that I have presented my arguments with supporting evidence and citations, would you care to do the same with yours? Or am I just being an “intellectual elitist” by asking for proof of your arguments and for your sources?


Stephen Pitt
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:02 pm The state bar minimums should be upped.Bachmann is not just embarrassing Minnesotans but all of America. How this wild-eyed harpy confuses single tiered rights and laws with corporatist selectivism and supremacy is beyond belief. At what point in her life did she shut down rational thinking?http://www.light-to-dark.com/Bachmann_Beck.htmlBachmann requires real testing, like Amy Myers is prepared to serve.

Regards


marie
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:12 pm @JimuglyThe fact that there are still objects of discussion in science that needs to be filled in, and or disprove is not enough of a debate to throw it out. Just as Wayne was stating there are many many opportunities for us to give claim, fact, and references for our side of the debate when it comes to science.Science is set up to continuously try to test itself. It works on the premise that it can not always stay the same, that it must always change and that we add on to the facts with more facts.the idea of “intelligent design” is that it is based on creationism. Which is based on faith and a God. Which is set up to say… Well this is it there is no debate.

Intelligent design is the Churches response to what has been to prove their bibles wrong.


jimugly
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:16 pm @CarlI’m still waiting for your answer. I admit it, I hold a pre-supposition that all exists because the universe was created by a creator. All around us the physical and natural world screams of design. You have to be willfully blind not to acknowledge it from photosynthesis to the minute workings in the atom – and smaller.By your statements I must assume that your presumtive stance is that nothing became something and somehow became an organized everything (a violation of the 1st Law of Thermodynamics)…or perhaps you suppose the universe is eternal, just without a designer.And just to illustrate the uncertainty of evolutionary theory in the scientific community, here’s a couple relevant quotes from some of evolution’s current and previous heavyweights:

“Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose.” – Richard Dawkins
What’s he saying? Is he conceding that somehow that “mindless purposeless forces” (another quote from his book The Blind Watchmaker) came together to organize chaos into a display of what appears to be purposed design but is not? This is a classic Wizard of Oz scenario – “Don’t pay attention to the man behind the curtain!”

“Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved.” – Francis Crick (Co-discoverer of DNA)
Hmmm, tricky language here. It’s plain to me that even Francis Crick acknowledged that despite his education, it did not make sense for chaos to come to order and be what we see as the universe now. He is trying to suppress what we all know in our heart of hearts – the universe must have been designed.

“I remember a time well when the thoguht of the eye made me cold all over, but I have got over this stage of complaint, and now the small, trifling particulars of structure often make me very uncomfortable. The sight of a feather in a peacock’s tail, whenever I gaze at it, makes me sick!” – Charles Darwin
This quote speaks for itself. In a letter to Ada Gray Darwin appears to be shaky on his own theory and the very real possibility that he was very wrong.

“I remember a time well when the thoguht of the eye made me cold all over, but I have got over this stage of complaint, and now the small, trifling particulars of structure often make me very uncomfortable. The sight of a feather in a peacock’s tail, whenever I gaze at it, makes me sick!” – Charles Darwin
Burden of proof? Hmmm, seems like it’s on you Carl.

…and in case you forgot, I’m still waiting for my answers. Here’s another question. How do I make matter become nothing?


Lisa
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:18 pm Amy Bachmann is an idiot. I am from the State of Minnesota, and am embarrassed by her. I am a woman, and am embarrassed by her being a representative of our gender. Amy will brush this intelligent young lady’s letter aside. It’s a shame we can’t hold her to it.


MBS
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:18 pm @jimuglyGood god, man….go get yourself a copy of Dawkins’ “The God Delusion”. Refutes all of these much more eloquently than I could. One question that he poses…If our universe was intelligently designed, who designed the designer?


Lisa
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:21 pm Good grief. I got so riled up that I called her AMY Bachmann….please excuse the mix up!! I mean MICHELE Bachmann!


MNO
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:21 pm I doubt Rep Bachmann knows where New Jersey is..


Michael Cooper
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:21 pm We need a nation of Amy Myers. If citizens could stand up and speak truth to tyranny as a matter of every day life, this democracy would shine so much brighter.


ntrval
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:24 pm @jimuglythat’s not all Carl did. he explicitly said “Amy’s only error so far is in assuming that facts and accurate interpretation of complex text play any significant role in the development of an ultra-conservative world view.” I would point out from Amy’s letter she indicates that “typical” high school students find Bachmann’s “statements regarding The Constitution of the United States, the quality of public school education and general U.S. civics matters to be factually incorrect, inaccurately applied or grossly distorted.” But her choice of phrasing sets up a condition- “As a typical high school student.” This implies that all students who occupy the sets of “high school’ and “typical” uniformly react to Bachmann’s statements in this way.That’s a logical error; but then, I myself didn’t get the offer to study logic before attending university.


Steven
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:24 pm Why would anyone need to defend Bachmann because of this challenge, unless you thought she couldn’t win. If you want to make “elite liberal” whippersnappers look foolish, why not just defeat her in the debate and prove once and for all that she does know what she’s talking about, and doesn’t just care to make outlandish statements to gain media attention.Why does Bachmann deserve to be called out? Because she set up the Constitution classes. Clearly she thinks she knows the constitution more than others in Washington, so maybe she can prove it.Examples of her terrible Constitutional knowledge:She pressed Geitner on where in the Constitution he was given the authority to carry out the EESA. He of course referenced Article I, Section I, that his authority was given to him by the Congress. Of course she thinks his authority had to be spelled out in Article 8.

She said the Constitution “doesn’t require” the census to obtain anymore than a number of people. Of course the Constitution requires the census to be carried out “in such manner as they shall by law direct.”

She’s also shown a lack of knowledge pertaining to the Establishment Clause, claiming, “Our founders said clearly that our Constitution was meant for a religious people.”

She’s also a fraud because while she talks about getting the government out of health care, she accepts Federal money to run her religious counseling center.

Again, if you think she could stand her ground and defeat a high schooler in a debate, why try to defend her and attack this girl with seriously grave ad hom arguments?


Wayne E. Pfeffer
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:32 pm Thank you @MBS, I should’ve thought of that before.


muchadoaboutstupid
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:34 pm @ jimuglyFirst off, the formation of the universe has nothing to do with evolution; you are refering to abiogenesis. Evolution concerns itself with speciation, not be creation of life… If you don’t even know that, you’re in over your head.Second, nowhere except in your little fundie universe is evolution still a point of faith or debate… Did you even read the link I posted? Evolution is a theory like gravity and the properties of freezing water are theories: it is a cogent proposed mechanism derived from the best available scientific evidence… I other words, not a point of debate.Finally, evolution in action: why yes, we have observed it. That vaccine you got as a child to make sure you dot get polio is a result of biological research founded on evolutionary principles, as is the flu shot you get every year.

Stop embarrassing yourself and go home. Your paper-thin attempts at flooding this comment thread win pseudoscience and conjecture are laughable, save some face and leave.


Callie K.
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:37 pm Whether Bachmann chickens out or not, big props to Amy Myers!


Callie K.
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:39 pm @jimuglyAll your questions have been answered on this very internet. If you don’t want to read YouTube’s QualiaSoup clears up some of that stuff in short videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup


BovineInervention
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:39 pm I wonder how much of the national debt we could take care of if we put this on pay per view…


Honesty
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:43 pm Anderson Cooper’s best time on television was hosting “The Mole.”


Paul Schmelzer
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:54 pm “Honesty”: Per our comment policy, please stick with one username per email/IP address if you’d like to keep commenting. Thanks.


MBS
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:55 pm @muchadoaboutstupidAmen, brother!


jimugly
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 4:57 pm @Wayne E. Pfeffer &
@ MarieFirst, Wayne. Interesting you find my one misspelling as the starting point for discrediting my arguments. I suppose that attacking my ability to spell one word lends credence to me being a moron or something…or did I strike a nerve? Do you hold so near to your heart a belief in the theory of evolution than any challenge stirs anger in your soul? Seriously, I apologize for the misspelling.I looked at the sites you posted, should be an interesting study. But, I will say that anybody can google the internet to find “sources” that support their claim. I will say this, what good is a peer review published text if the peers reviewing are in cahoots with the writer. If the writer, however, presented an alternative view to Darwinian evolution, then those views would go directly against the mostly commonly accepted theory in today’s scientific community – it would be dissention. So, those books do not get widely published because they are sort of “blasphemy” to the status quo. Here’s a couple online articles (I too can google) to point out the open hostility to alternative scientific explanations for the origins of the universe:http://www.evolutionnews.org/ISUFacultyE-mailSummary_Final.pdf

http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/knippenberg/06/id.html

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=1489 (US House Staff Report on Smithsonian’s Top Official permitting the demotion and harrassment of a scientist skeptical of Darwinian evolution)

Again, classic examples of exposing the man behind the curtain. It appears the western scientific community follows science wherever it may lead – accept if it leads to an intelligent designer.

Here’s a few good books to consider if you’re really willing to read what an opposing point of view has to say. If nothing else, at least you can say you’ve honestly looked at all sides.

Dawin’s Black Box – Michael Behe.
Of Pandas and People – Percival and Kenyon Davis.
Understanding the Times – David Noebel.
Darwinism: The refutation of a myth – Soren Lovtrup


AndUCallMeCrazy
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:11 pm @jimugly
Please stay…
Typical Atheist points of views and actions: When they start loosing the debate, group together and try to run off those with differing thoughts/beliefs… be it in Politics and/or Web-Threads such as this!
They point to Dawkins like a hero… But that clown has been on record (via Video) stating that “Intelligent Design is possible… but likely alien… not a God.” What does that say??? A typical Evolutionist/Atheist…. They can believe in Aliens and other forms of life, but not GOD!
And to beat all…. Give credit to an “ALIEN” FOR Intelligent Design!!!
Nonetheless… Faith is something Atheist can NEVER TAKE away… And that’s what drives them NUTS!!
GOD BLESS!!!


Disgusted American
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:13 pm wow- Bachmann gets almost as many comments as does ANY subject on LGBT American’s Issues………..and We ALL know, Bachmann will NEVER except the challenge, unless she can wear an Ëar bug”to feed her the Answers…..this young woman would wipe the floor with Bachmann and her (made up) pronouncements. Go Amy! Wake up Ladies, the GOP is after your – personal Rights- as well.


BigCheese
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:14 pm Since ID requires a “creator” to create everything, those fancy pants elitists like to always say “So who created the creator?”. As if that proves anything!All of us ID believers know just who created the creator. It was creatorº. See how easy I answered you crummy intellectuals! Some of you might say “Well, then who created createrº?” That one’s easy too! It was creater²!Why no creator¹? Once again, easy to answer.He was busy helping Noah build his ark.


muchadoaboutstupid
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:18 pm @jimuglyBehe and creationist propaganda? This is the best you can do? Read the blind watchmaker, the god delusion, and the greatest show on earth if you are so untreated in the topic… The books you have cited have all been thoroughly refuted (check google sometime).


Toni Ha
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:18 pm I applaud you, Amy, and would love to see you go head to head with Bachmann. I’ve no doubt you would win, and go on to become the next Representative of your state!


BigCheese
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:24 pm Michelle Bachmann is sooooo smart that they’ve named an educational principle after her! The “Bachmann Effect”http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/03/beholdthe-bachmann-effect.php


Wayne E. Pfeffer
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:24 pm I wasn’t trying to discredit your arguments based on a spelling mistake.No, an argument against the theory of evolution does not stir anger in my soul. What stirs anger in my soul is believing something that has absolutely no basis in reality. All that ID is, is a pseudo-scientific name given to creationism, and all that creationism is is a belief in something that absolutely can not be proven as fact or fiction. By definition creationism holds at its core a belief in a supernatural being that is omnipotent and omniscient. A being that is unknowable by the beings it created because those beings were created without the mental capacity to comprehend the vastness of this supernatural being.The big bang theory and the theory of evolution are not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but at least those of us who support them are willing to admit that. The supporters of ID/creationism will not say the same thing. We know there are serious questions about how something came from nothing but we are unwilling to just default to “well, if we don’t understand it then it’s not understandable and therefore must have been created by a being with a higher intelligence than our own”. We keep working on figuring out why and how. With the stance of ID / creationism, once the name of the “designer” is invoked all discussion ceases. The “designer” answers all questions simply by existing and that to question its existence, or worse yet its answers, labels the questioner as a heretic and blasphemer whose arguments are no longer valid.By stating that the universe was “designed” by a supernatural being with higher intelligence that is unknowable by mere mortals is abdicating your intelligence to fairy tales and wishful thinking.


Bob Van Wagner
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:24 pm The Census is meant — IN THE CONSTITUTION — to be an enumeration for he purpose of allocating seats in the US House and US Electoral College among the states.Yet today the Census has become, in that version of it known as the American Community Survey (ACS), incredibly intrusive. “Orwellian”, “1984-like” are both proper descriptive terms that can be applied to the Census ACS, and also terms which a highly literate high school student like Amy Myers should be familiar.Representative Michele Bachmann is certainly aware of the police-state-like aspect of the modern US Census, and her concerns are well-founded. Similar concerns in re personal privacy apply to huge mega-information brokers of the internet age like Google and Facebook. Yet those private data gatherers can not arrest, try, fine and jail those who refuse to answer intrusive personal questions. The Census can.Yes, early censuses also asked for more than just name, age and residency. As others have mentioned, generally that information was also directly or near-directly applicable to count, as the count had to separate the free from the slave. Traditionally census takers have asked for more information — like occupation, tenant-owner status, etc.

America is meant to be the Land of Free, and also a place where citizens, like brothers and sisters, respect each other and each others privacy and personal space. At one point does the Census with its hyper-intrusive questions become insufferable? Some where far short of the dozens of questions the ACS asks!

I agree with Michele Bachmann, let’s pull this thing become beast of a census back to its very basics. Who are you? Where do you live? That’s enough.


Wayne E. Pfeffer
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:26 pm @AndUCallMeCrazy … I am not asking anyone to leave, I’m only asking for people to use their brains and think logically and rationally.


MNO
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:26 pm even though this isn’t about the news story…. @jimugly [et al]:
there are several thoughts as to how the universe got started. and just as many thoughts as to how life began. that’s the beauty of this: WE DON’T KNOW [but we’re trying]. i wish we knew all the answers. i’d rather people pursued intellectual rewards rather than material, but here we are.
my favorite theory in cosmology, Oscillating universe: Time is endless and beginningless; thus avoids the beginning-of-time paradox. Perpetual cycles of big bang followed by big crunch [matter is recycled].
science is always changing.. or, if you prefer, evolving…


Lori
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:32 pm Way to go Amy! As a history teacher in New Jersey, I’m proud to see one of our students show what they have learned in public school! Show them your intelligence and intellectual ability!


jimugly
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:35 pm @MBSWow, really, Richard Dawkins? I figure you’d try and cite someone less clownish than him. Here’s a good quote from him:“It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I’d rather not say that).”
So, what does that say about Dawkins? He’s obviously mean or intolerant, or both, of people who possess an opposing view to the origins of the universe. I really don’t have any issues with his quote accept I’d like to know, on what basis can he judge anything as wicked? If the universe came about by purposeless chaotic forces then why even consider the question of morality? If I do that then I really violate the key tenets of Darwin’s theory and the survival of the fittest. My actions toward others should only be judged by me and they way they help me advance my owns survival…
…Now if Richard Dawkins knows this can’t possible work – nobody can live their life that way.
As to your referral to his famous question of who created the designer, well, that’s a good try. Even evolution will have to concede that something had to be eternal for the universe to exist. The aethiestic philosopher John Stuart Mill posed the same “gotcha” question. He argued that a designer, or God, could not be “self-caused” because to be so would be logically impossible. In other words, God had to “exist” before He“existed” so He could cause himself to “exist.” While on the surface this argument seems to settle the dispute for those who choose to dismiss the notion of a God. It actually however, demonstrates the argument’s short-sightedness and, if you will, intolerance for opposing viewpoints (namely those who believe in a Creator and that the Creator was “Uncaused). By denying the existence of God based on this conclusion, Mill accepted that everything we see in the universe is either eternal, or had some other cause that was not God. Essentially, Sir Francis Mill would accept any other originator for the universe accept God because he did not want to.
I would argue much the same mindset exists in the mind Richard Dawkins and others like him. They don’t want to acknowledge the possibility of an intelligent designer so they don’t. If they did then it ultimately meant that other, “higher” expectations would also be true…


SoYou’reSayingWhat
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:36 pm That would be worth a look. Keep the heat on Bachmann. Don’t let her off the hook. Good luck Amy..


jimugly
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:39 pm @muchadoaboutstupid“Behe and creationist propaganda? This is the best you can do? Read the blind watchmaker, the god delusion, and the greatest show on earth if you are so untreated in the topic… The books you have cited have all been thoroughly refuted (check google sometime).”Really, and you call the books your reading intellectually honesty and non-propoganda? Please. Of course the books I listed will be “refuted” by the psuedo scientific community at large. To not do so would be career suicide.


BigCheese
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:45 pm @jimuglyI never saw it so clearly until you showed me the light! Dawkins being obstinate about his belief in evolution PROVES ID is true! And philosophers from the 18th century certainly know more about science & evolution than all those fancy-pants elitists we have lurking around right now!“Even evolution will have to concede that something had to be eternal for the universe to exist”. BRILLIANT! We ID lovers all know that the creator is eternal! See how easy it is to answer those silly questions??? I know the electricity that powers my George Foreman grill was created by the creator! Electricity is eternal!


BigCheese
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:48 pm I’ve been talking to the creator lately! His name is the Flying Spaghetti Monster! I worship his noodly self. He created everything!Evolution is a myth! The FSM is the Truth, the Light, and the Way!!!!


jimugly
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:53 pm @BigCheeseSwing and, wait, miss. Sorry, let me clarify. I simply stated that science concedes that something had to be eternal for anything to exist. I did not say that that, alone, is evidence of an intelligent designer. Settle down buddy, all your rage is clouding your ability to read and process text.


Damian
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:54 pm Picking on the mentally challenged, even if they are a..congresswoman..may be poor form. Although I may have to move to cherry hill once Amy can hold office! Our government needs to be challenged more. It is great to hear about this young women taking the challenge!!!!


muchadoaboutstupid
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:55 pm @ jimuglyAnswer my other statements first: You have yet to respond to anything I said about germ theory, abiogenesis, or vaccines. Typical fundie; dodge the questions you don’t like and then name more failed “scientists” to try to cover your tracks. Your debate skills are pathetic, sir.As for the Dawkins books, you don’t have to read them, they are just more palatable than most of the biology TEXTBOOKS and articles I have read on the matter; or are textbooks also part of the “evil evolutionist conspiracy”?Your arguments hold no water, and you refuse to accept that your point of view has been refuted, time and again, from peer-reviewed journals to courts of law. Keep reading your bible and assuming that it has all the answers… but do me a favour: next flu season, instead of getting the vaccine that was developed by a scientist, in a lab, using sound evolutionary-biology-based techniques, go to a church and ask your god to prevent you from getting the flu. With any luck, MY prayers will be answered and the irony of what you did will kill you before the flu does.

You don’t have a leg to stand on here, Jim… go home.


Calling Bachmann’s Bluff « Nevada Rural Democratic Caucus
Pingback posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:57 pm […] the Minnesota Independent today is an interesting little tidbit — an invitation to debate from a NJ high school sophomore […]


jimugly
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 5:57 pm @BigCheeseApparently I struck a nerve with you enough for you to resurrect the old “FSM” example. Thank you Bobby Henderson for giving BigCheese content for his rebuttals on this forum. Apparently he has to regurgitate other’s arguments to make himself look pithy.


muchadoaboutstupid
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:01 pm @AndUCallMeCrazyGo hump a bible… you are not contributing anything to this conversation.


AndUCallMeCrazy
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:03 pm @jimugly
That is another characteristic that will come out… Unadulterated sarcasm! Simply because those fools have NO Intelligence to debate a topic! Keep On!Mind you… Those that do have a brain will keep trying to make their point… try to “win you over” so-to-speak… ie. MBS and Muchado…. Those that want to HighJack the knowledge (although I disagree) of others will do as BigCheese is doing!!!


Brooklynwatch
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:17 pm Skeptical, you must be so accustomed to the missives of Bachmann and Palin, that you have forgotten that High School Sophomores write and speak very well. Bachmann and Palin are on First Grade Level.


BigCheese
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:17 pm @jimugly“I simply stated that science concedes that something had to be eternal for anything to exist. ”Yes! That is exactly what science concedes! I heard that exact statement from Mr. Science (although I’m his buddy and can call him by his first name, which is Larry)To be exact, I heard Mr. Larry Science say that “something has to be eternal for anything to exist” Never has quantum physics and the origin of the universe itself been stated so perfectly and with such accuracy!


jimugly
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:18 pm @muchadoaboutstupidWow, such vitriol…and you calling me sir doesn’t mask your disdane well.Pathogenic theory of medicine inventor – Girolamo Fracastoro, a member of the church back in the 1500′sInventer of the first Vaccine (Small Pox) – Edward Jenner, a very conventional Christian who worshiped at a church near his house and Berkeley Castle

There are many more Christians who have contributed incredibly to modern science and medicine than I care to name here. So I ask you, are you thankful that a Christian figured out your flu vaccine for next season? I am.

As to my debating skills, well, they appear to be working. I’ve got a few of you all riled up and on the defensive.


AndUCallMeCrazy
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:19 pm First it was Carl… Now Muchadoaboutstupid…
Cannot win over one’s mind, heart or faith… so try insults!
It is funny, you cannot win the debate… or feel like your losing your intellectual “edge,” so you start trying insults! What, did pointing out that Dawkins admits Intelligent Design IS possible… but only by “perhaps Aliens” upset you? Did your Hero go down in flames by his own comments?
I am NOT trying to contribute to the debate, that will NEVER get resolved or won on a web-thread! It is just so funny to watch how peoples’ attitudes change over a period of time! First it was Carl that started out all nice and calm, listing his “sources” and beliefs… to hurling insults… Now it’s you! Yes YOU, muchadoaboutstupid!
But it’s ok! 🙂


BigCheese
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:20 pm @jimuglyYou’re doing quite a performance piece here! I mean, trying to prove something that is faith-based! And you’ve got people actually believing you’re sincere!Kudos my friend. You are quite a teller of tall tales!


jimugly
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:24 pm @BigCheeseI would submit to you that Darwinian evolution takes more faith to believe in that intellent design. It takes quite the leap of faith to believe in Darwin’s big fairy tale. I hope someday you will at least entertain the opposing view on its merits as far-fetched as you might see them as today. Your views and beliefs are equally, if not more far-fetched.


P_Griffen
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:25 pm Well, I find this challenge to be rather shallow and pedantic.


Old Uncle Dave
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:26 pm Too cool! I have long advocated a test akin to the SAT for political candidates.
We, as voters, have a right to know how smart or stupid someone is before voting for them.


John Melchinger
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:28 pm To those who think elitism, knowledge and the pursuit of same are the province of academics, please remember that the author of “Let a thousand flowers blossom; let a thousand schools of thought contend” is the same leader who wiped out the love of Chinese contemporary thought and education, setting the country on its ear for decades from the hate-filled Cultural Revolution, Mao Tse-Tung. The more I hear the lunacy and ignorance coming from their perverted lies about American history and standards, the more I am convinced that the new rabidly reactionary Republicans are the new KKK, or worse yet, closer to communists than I would like to admit: authoritarian power mongers who can control nothing through influence and consensus, only through oppressive dogma and militaristic law. THAT is elitism, feeling that they know what’s better than the people. Oh, that’s the Republic in Republicanism. Why do Republicans hate democracy?


daerco
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:30 pm @ DerpSome people believe that split infinitives are grammatically incorrect and should be avoided at all costs. There’s no real justification for your objection, which is based on comparisons with the structure of Latin. People have been splitting infinitives for centuries, especially in spoken English, and avoiding a split infinitive can sound clumsy. It can also change the emphasis of what’s being said.


muchadoaboutstupid
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:30 pm @ jimuglyMy disdain was supposed to be apparent. I doesn’t make a lick of difference whether the scientists that came up with the ideas are chrsitian, Hindu or atheist… There theories are not Christian! They are scientific! For the love of any imaginary being you hold dear, at least pretend that you are listening to the arguments being presented before you babble incoherent about the fact that “some guy who came up a theory was christian, therefore god is real!”


YES!
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:33 pm Amy,YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


arago
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:33 pm Good job Amy.I don’t believe Ms Bachmann and step up and agree to any kind of test or debate.It would be nice if she did.


Esol927
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:41 pm This is fucking amazing. Go Amy go! I hope they televise this.


Jeff Wilfahrt
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:44 pm Whose got the bookie’s number?I want to put $100 on the kid!


jimugly
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:49 pm @muchadoaboutstupidI guess I left something out. I forgot to say that it was their faith that informed their science that enabled them to make enormous discovers that have had great impact in medicine…


Political Roundup 5/13/11 | Subterfuge Magazine
Pingback posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:51 pm […] High schooler challenges Bachmann to debate on U.S. Constitution — I don’t believe she’ll accept. And, if she does, she’ll find a way to weasel out of it. I mean, if she accepted and showed up, it would mean she would actually have to read and make an effort to really understand the U.S. Constitution… […]


BigCheese
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:55 pm @jimugly“I would submit to you that Darwinian evolution takes more faith to believe in that intellent design.”Yes, that is a nice submission. In return, I submit to you that your performance, trying to “prove” that faith is the answer, is a great example of hipster-ironic. Again, kudos my friend. You have a lot of people here believing you. You might win the Irony Of The Year award from the Seinfeld Institute.


John Hawk
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 6:56 pm As dopey, moronic, and closed minded as Michelle Bachman is, she’s like the perfect cougar MILF. Too bad she probably hates anything that’s not within her religious “morals” because I would rock her until she became enlightened to the real truth.


John Hawk
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:00 pm Intelligent design. Hahahah…. now that’s funny. I suppose people here believe a man walked on water, healed the broken, and did other ghostly deeds less than 2000 years ago? I’m amazed at some people’s interpretation of old stories. Stories written before humans even knew they were standing on a planet. Those stories must be true, right? I mean, maybe the world really is flat? Didn’t a few people believe that? It must be true.


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Pingback posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:01 pm […] Jersey high school student Amy Myers formally challenged Rep. Michele Bachmann to a debate on the constitution. “I have found quite a few of your statements regarding The Constitution of […]


Eric
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:03 pm jimugly wrote,—–”I will say that the proponents of intelligent design are arguing to get equal opportunity in the classroom because the evolutionary debate is far from settled.”Evolution is completely settled science. That many conservative Christians still take issue with it is their problem.Why there should never be “equal opportunity” for creationism in the classroom:

1) Intelligent design creationism isn’t a scientific theory. Criticism of evolution (the sum of intelligent design creationist “theory”) does not constitute a scientific theory, yet many creationists are seemingly constitutionally incapable of understanding this.

2) There are many brands of creationism: young earth, old earth, theistic evolution, theistic creationism, special creation creationism, etc. It’s absurd to waste time on these theological disputes in a secular public classroom. When the Christians have this sorted out, get back to us.

3) Intelligent design creationists wouldn’t want a debate in the public schools if it were an honest debate, because if it was an honest debate it would necessitate introducing philosophical arguments against the basis for intelligent design creationism–the conservative Christian god belief. Probably less than 1% of public school teachers are trained in these arguments. Fewer still would be able to keep their proselytizing out of the classroom if they had strong religious commitments.


Carl
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:06 pm @jimugly-Are you arguing that the stories of Biblical Creation, Noah’s Ark, Moses parting the Red Sea, Jonah living in a fish’s belly, Christ’s water walking and resurrection, etc, etc, etc., are somehow proven by your inability to comprehend a non-ID origin? Because that’s what it sounds like and those are fables to which I refer. Any defense of them is, frankly, embarrassing but you go ahead.Praise Jebus, God hates the tree of knowledge, Amen.


SAMMI
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:13 pm I find it rather interesting that “Skeptical” would imply skepticism toward Amy’s letter. Suggesting that Amy writes too well for a High School Sophomore is rubbish. This shows that The N.J. Public School System, hasn’t succumbed to the dumbing down of this Nation’s Children as some would prefer.The style and content is exactly what I would expect of a High School Sophomore, no less! Heck my writings and that of many of my friends at age 13 were comparable.
Heck my friend’s daughter is 12 years old and I quite often read her writings which are as brilliantly written in scope and context as Amy’s.This idea of low expectations from our American children help to fulfil the fallacy that American Public Schoolers are under-educated or mal-educated. Albeit, some are, many are not. Go to any Elementary school in the English Speaking Caribbean, Great Britain or many Public Schools around this country and you will find the similar strength in writing. Quite simply because your writing lacks strength is no reason to project that on a bright young lady. Go for it Amy. I support you.


John Hawk
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:19 pm The way I see it, some people are just so afraid to die that they have to believe that something is going to happen after their body is dead. I think it frightens them so much, that life really is like a candle, snuff and it’s done, that they have to grip onto things like God, heaven, and the like. After an average life span of 75 years I will sure be ready for it to end. I have no problem with that at all. But some can’t deal with that, or deal with the fact that one human life is but a nanosecond in universal time. That the entire human existence will be but a nanosecond and forgotten when you look at the big picture. I’m perfectly okay with that too. I’m not going to waste my average 75 year lifespan on fearing some human designed God, that’s for damn sure. I feel bad for those who wasted their whole life in service of this human designed thing. They wasted an entire life preaching to air. That’s sad. Only a human would do such a thing. Make up their own Gods and heavens and hells. We are odd creatures.


BriereBear
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:21 pm Take Amy, give 50 IQ points. Her next opponent: Jon Runyon.


muchadoaboutstupid
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:23 pm @jimuglyTheir faith informed them? That’s like saying that if I had a hallucination and it inspired me to create something, I should credit the hallucination.No… these men were great IN SPITE of being religious, not BECAUSE they were religious… remember that until modern medicine, people with epilepsy were thought to be possessed by demons, a myth that most christian priests (who charged by the exorcism) did not attempt to disprove.Religion has constantly fought against science, constantly battled progress, and now that science is actually winning, theists are trying to claim it as their own. The “gaps” in the scientific body of knowledge are getting too small for you to hide your god in, so now you claim that the scientific method is born of god, and try to usurp the progress and hard work of half a millennium of scientists that would have been burned at the stake if your dark-ages faith was still in charge. For shame! To call all of this discovery the will of your god is to deny credit to the most brilliant minds of the past 500 years, and that is something that I will not do (and that you should not do so lightly).

Now, it is Friday night, I have just opened a bottle of wine, and I see no reason to continue flogging this thrice-deceased equine, so I will leave you all with one of my favourite quotes on why the human condition is to be admired, for all its faults:

“But we were born of risen apes, not fallen angels, and the apes were armed killers besides. And so what shall we wonder at? Our murders and massacres and missiles, and our irreconcilable regiments? Or our treaties whatever they may be worth; our symphonies however seldom they may be played; our peaceful acres, however frequently they may be converted into battlefields; our dreams however rarely they may be accomplished. The miracle of man is not how far he has sunk but how magnificently he has risen. We are known among the stars by our poems, not our corpses.” – R. Ardrey

It’s been real, cheers to you all!


Joe
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:25 pm Amy is the kind of person that we need in congress. Clearly intellectual, and not going to just accept the other politicians blowing smoke up the public’s ass.


High schooler challenges Michele Bachmann to Constitution showdown
Pingback posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:26 pm […] able to meet for such an event, as it would prove to be enlightening. Sincerely yours, Amy Myers High schooler challenges Bachmann to debate on U.S. Constitution | Minnesota Independent: News. Poli… My money is on Amy Myers. “Can’t God just Rapture this chick..?” ~ Babylon speaking […]


Caitlin
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:35 pm I would love to see such a debate. It’s not going to happen though.Also, Myers writes like a typical, intelligent 9th-grader at a decent school.However, I don’t think for a moment that Bachmann represents her gender as a whole. I didn’t like the implication that she did or should – women are individuals, just as men are.


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Terry
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:39 pm Michele would not consider this seeing that this mere high school student does not posses her infinite education from Christian schools.


Mimi
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:44 pm “She writes very well for a sophomore in high school.”
I resent the implications of a comment like this. Many high school students are eloquent and powerful writers.Well done, Ms. Myers, and good luck.


SAMMI
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:46 pm @Nobody
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 12:18 pm(And Trolly Trollington, please don’t trot out the “57 states” slip of the tongue. Conservatives and liberals alike will munge their words when their tired. Several of Bachmann’s mistakes go way beyond a simple mistatment like that.)……..
<<<>>>>>The reason the media didn’t belabour the above statement albeit they did a poor job oF explaining it; as well as Prez Obama assumed the American Public had enough sense to know that the DNC does REFER TO 57 STATES FOR THE PURPOSE OF PRIMARIES AS THEY COUNT THE 7 TERRITORIES IN THE SAME WAY!! In the end Prez Obama won 34 and Hillary won 23..(SMDH) That changes in the General however!! No need to excuse Prez Obama HE WAS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT AND THE MEDIA KNEW THAT!! Why would we expect people to engage brain. Heck republicans just look for company in the dunce aisle!! Misery loves company, in any arena!!


Michelebachman
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:47 pm I am from the same town as m bachman and the smart ones had to leave to get away from this crazy thing people call a woman I’m gunna have to go ahead with tranny


Darwin
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:48 pm @JimuglyWhy does dirt exist? Why does anything exist? I am just happy to be alive right now, enjoy it while you got it. If there is a heaven then there must be a heaven for Dinosaurs, Cats, Dogs, Aliens, trees, bacteria.


Grumbach
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:49 pm DERP
I don’t find ANY split infinitives in the letter. Can you please point one out for me? Except for the typo I don’t find any problems.AMY,
Dream on! This nitwit has no desire to prove it publicly ON PURPOSE. She does it all by accident.


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Darwin
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:53 pm p.s. Darwin big fairy tale really? If you thought that one was good read the Bible


wendy k rasmussen
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 7:54 pm It’s a shame that this young woman is not able to vote yet…hell, i would vote for HER when she becomes legally eligible to run for office!


High School sophomore challenges Bachmann to a debate
Pingback posted May 13, 2011 @ 8:02 pm […] School sophomore challenges Bachmann to a debate High schooler challenges Bachmann to debate on U.S. Constitution A high school sophomore from New Jersey is challenging Rep. Michele Bachmann to a debate on […]


Ken
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 8:05 pm Y’know, after reading all these comments in support of this high school girl, I am left to wonder how in the heck you Minnesotans let this women get into office in the first place? Can’t the rest of you good people move into her district just to keep your state from looking as foolish as she does?


High schooler challenges Bachmann to debate on U.S. Constitution
Pingback posted May 13, 2011 @ 8:08 pm […] High schooler challenges Bachmann to debate on U.S. Constitution This would be fun to watch. The student’s letter: Dear Representative Bachmann, My name is Amy Myers. I am a Cherry Hill, New Jersey sophomore attending Cherry Hill High School East. As a typical high school student, I have found quite a few of your statements regarding The Constitution of the United States, the quality of public school education and general U.S. civics matters to be factually incorrect, inaccurately applied or grossly distorted. The frequency and scope of these comments prompted me to write this letter. Though I am not in your home district, or even your home state, you are a United States Representative of some prominence who is subject to national media coverage. News outlets and websites across this country profile your causes and viewpoints on a regular basis. As one of a handful of women in Congress, you hold a distinct privilege and responsibility to better represent your gender nationally. The statements you make help to serve an injustice to not only the position of Congresswoman, but women everywhere. Though politically expedient, incorrect comments cast a shadow on your person and by unfortunate proxy, both your supporters and detractors alike often generalize this shadow to women as a whole. Rep. Bachmann, the frequent inability you have shown to accurately and factually present even the most basic information about the United States led me to submit the follow challenge, pitting my public education against your advanced legal education: I, Amy Myers, do hereby challenge Representative Michele Bachmann to a Public Forum Debate and/or Fact Test on The Constitution of the United States, United States History and United States Civics. Hopefully, we will be able to meet for such an event, as it would prove to be enlightening. Sincerely yours, Amy Myers The article is HERE […]


Michael Fox
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 8:31 pm One word… WOW.Amy, there are times when I despair over my vision of our future. You have just bolstered my confidence.As a graduate degreed college instructor, I look forward to seeing you fulfill a very bright future.Thank you for caring, thank you for studying, thank you for thinking, and most of all, thank you for speaking out!


Anonymous 4
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 8:41 pm I followed a link on facebook to get here because the headline was interesting. Now I’m not familiar with exactly what Bachman has said because I’m a highschool student and am too busy with sports or doing ridiculously easy homework because No Child Left Behind won’t let me get ahead of the rest of my classmates, but that’s beside the point. I was disappointed to see such a blatantly left-winged opinion on an “independent” news network. Now that would be different if the letter would not have been so condescending and listed a few of Bachman’s statements.


Mary Teresa
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 8:41 pm Amy you make your teachers and those of us who teach the hundreds of other students in public schools proud! Thank you for engaging in our democracy.


Anonymous 4
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:01 pm You people on the evolution vs. creation topic, if you evolutionists somehow disprove the fact that matter does not come from nothing then there’s this argument. There are three ways the universe could exist. 1. It’s random. 2. It’s made to fit the laws of nature. 3. It’s by design.1. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. That probability is astronomical.2. There are 10^500 (that’s 1 with 500 0′s) possible universes that fulfill the laws of nature.3. If there are 3 choices, and two are false, the third must be correct. Science has proved everything that is scientifically provable in the Bible.

Now if you say the world has no beginning and time is infinite, then the earth has been around for an infinite amount of time. That means that an infinite number of events have occurred. If you add infinitely many things, you get a finite sum. (sum of (1/(2^n)) for n from 1 to infinity = 1). By definition, finite numbers have a beginning and an end. Disproved by math.


Frankly Speaking
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:15 pm ummmm,Talk about putting the cart before the horse. Before a debate on evolution can even begin you have to start with where life originated. The Law of Biogenesis (You know the little theory that states only organic matter can produce/create organic matter and inorganic matter can only produce/create inorganic matter)…If the Law of Biogenesis is true, which has been proven by Pasteur et al., how did the first organic matter appear??? Just a question.


Nik Bramblett
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:29 pm To all the ridiculous right-wingers who are suggesting that someone challenge Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi to such a “test”: The reason that’s not the same is that neither Mr Obama or Ms. Pelosi are famously ignorant of the Constitution’s factual contents. Nor should ANY congressional representative be, in my opinion. Hell, we require people to pass such a test for naturalized citizenship. Why don’t naturally-born citizens have to pass a test? Can Michele Bachmann pass such a test? I doubt it. Eric Cantor just a few weeks ago made it very clear that his listeners, if not himself, did not know how a bill becomes a law. It’s really become pretty typical of the Republican Party (“not meant to be a factual statement”? Really?); however, Michele Bachmann is particularly bad.Incidentally, all you dumbasses, “sophomore” is spelled s-o-p-h-o-m-o-r-e. And yes, it does matter. Leaving out the middle ‘o’ consistently is NOT a typo, but a consistent, ignorant misspelling. I am so sick of people blaming their own ignorance on their iPhones.


reyes
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:31 pm Amy I am not impressed !!!! Challenge a senior in high school then maybe I might go , it would be worth watching.


Clashfan
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:33 pm JimUgly, all of the fossil record we have supports evolution. Throughout the 20th century, when fossils–of newly discovered creatures–were newly found, scientists adjusted time lines and lines of descent. We’ve never found something that caused the entire theory to be thrown out. If I am mistaken in this, I’d like you to cite your source.The problem with the intelligent design position is that it is not falsifiable. That makes it not science. You cannot prove or disprove it. That’s wonderful for faith; not so much for science.Believe what you want; teach your kids what you like. But you can’t call it science, and you can’t require it be taught in a public school science class.


humpback
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:34 pm I’m sure if the particular student is sharp enough, he or she could debate the issues with just about anyone. However, what is really going on here? Something about this whole thing seems very distasteful. There is more to life than just knowledge. For example, I’m sure that millions are out there that are smart enough to debate anyone, however, what qualifies a person is the fact that they worked their selves through the various levels to get to where they are. This is called a right of passage. Backmann would have nothing to gain and everything to lose in debating this kid. If Backman wins the debate, then everyone would say that she should have won because she’s debating a kid, and on top of that, she might even get accused of beating up on the poor child. And of course, if the youngster wins then she ends up embarrassed and ridiculed by the media. It’s lose-lose for Backman, and therefore, she should just laugh it off and get on with her campaign.


renee
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 9:56 pm “But we were born of risen apes, not fallen angels, and the apes were armed killers besides. And so what shall we wonder at? Our murders and massacres and missiles, and our irreconcilable regiments? Or our treaties whatever they may be worth; our symphonies however seldom they may be played; our peaceful acres, however frequently they may be converted into battlefields; our dreams however rarely they may be accomplished. The miracle of man is not how far he has sunk but how magnificently he has risen. We are known among the stars by our poems, not our corpses.” – R. ArdreyTHANKYOU MUCHADOABOUTSTUPID –AGREED


Chris
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:00 pm So someone has poisoned this kids mind into thinking that Right wing bashing somehow represents a higher intellectual calling. Point is there is no mention of what specifically she accusing Bachman of. I’m guessing it’s just more liberal warmed over talking points by proxy.


Chris
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:09 pm Where’s the clever High Schooler that wants to challenge Obama on his ongoing economic tragedy ? How through Bernake he’s pumped billions into the stock market, bailed out billion dollars companies and banks while lying about “shovel ready jobs” for us “little people” ? Unemployment’s at a realistic level of 15 %, inflation (if you count food and energy like they used to) is double digit and we are 4 trillion more in debt. And this liberal in waiting is complaining about Bachman ? Bacman didn’t institute policies that have added millions of good working people on the unemployment line.


humpback
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:23 pm Eric, much of what you said made sense, unfortunately when you start out with the false claim, “evolution is a settled science,” I have to question every thing else that you say. For example, The Miller experiment of 1953 showed that if electricity was shot through an atmosphere like that of primitive earth, amino acids were created. Later, in the 1960′s it was proved that Miller used an inaccurate or fabricated atmosphere. What really happens? Instead of amino acids, we get formaldehyde and cyanide, hardly the building blocks of life. Later, Darwin’s tree of life was unable to account for the Cambrian geological period and was therefore proven inadequate, also it was proven that the Haeckel embryos that supposedly show common ancestry of all life were faked. Many schools continue to use these examples as if they are actually true. Most HS science teachers are not even aware of this.Why are topics such as creationism shunned? After all creationism is also a theory. In fact, many scientists, some from Ivy league universities believe creationism is a far better explanation of our origin than evolution. Darwin had no idea of the complexity of a cell when he proposed his theory. Today it is known that individual cells are programed with complex bits of instructions, much like computer programs, but on a much more complex level. It is much more viable to believe that a programmer programmed the information into the cell, than through random chance that it somehow got there. A scientist who didn’t believe in God once quoted that either matter has always existed or God always did. It was later found that matter actually wears out over time. Since it is impossible for something that wears out to have existed from eternity, then it must have been God that always existed.Nevertheless, Evolution is far from settled, and creationism is not as foolish some make it out to be.


Nikolai
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:33 pm C’mon Bachmann, what are you afraid of? heh


Aaarrrgh!
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 10:53 pm A debate on the Constitution between Amy Myers and Michelle Bachmann would be both entertaining and enlightening. It would be a shock if Ms. Bachmann were to accept the challenge, but unfortunately she’ll more likely just continue to blather on in her idiocy and her supporters will continue to believe the nonsense she spews. Kudos to Amy for trying, though.As for the devolution of this subject into a “debate” over evolution vs. creationism vs. ID, I say as both a Christian and a Liberal who was taught evolution in religious school: STFU already. Your polarizing oversimplification of both religion and science makes me want to puke.Now, back to the matter at hand: Go Amy!


Friday’s Mini-Report | Liberal Media Books
Pingback posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:09 pm […] A high school sophomore in New Jersey has challenged Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) to a debate on civics and the U.S. Constitution. No word on whether the right-wing lawmaker will accept, but if she does, I’d bet on the […]


ERICH MAHAN
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:28 pm SO. YOUR GOVT.HAS TAKEN EVERY CENT YOU GAVE IT AND THEY SPENT AN X-TRA 14 TRILLION.ON TOP OF IT. OBAMA CLINTON AND THE BUSHES HAVE DESTROYED MY COUNTRY AND YOU CHOOSE A SENATOR AND A LITTLE GIRL TO DEBATE THE CONSTITUION.WOW WHAT A INTELLIGENT BUNCH YOU ARE. THE CONCEPTUAL POVERTY AND IGNORANCE OF YOU ALL IS THE VERY REASON YOUR COUNTRY IS DYING RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES. UFC 125 BACHMAN AGAINST AMY THE 12 YR OLD YA GET HER AMY. DUMB AND DUMBER WITH THE CALL YOU PEOPLE MAKE SE SICK


ERICH MAHAN
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:39 pm A 12 YR OLD IS GOING TO CHALLENGE OBAMA FOR THE PRESIDENCY.SHE OUT DEBATED A SENATOR ON THE CONSTITUTION.WOW NOT EVEN OBAMA CAN MASTER THAT.HE ASSASINATED BENNY AND THE JETS BEN LADEN..NO WATER BOARDING NEEDED.NO MORANDA RIGHTS. UN ARMED MURDER PLAIN AND SIMPLE.DID BUSH TORTURE LEAD TO MURDER.DID OBAMA APPRV OF BUSH TORTURE AND THEN USE TORTURE INTELL TO MURDER..WOW NO OUTRAGE FROM BUSH CHENEY HATERS.COMMUNIST MEDIA NOT DESTROYING OBAMA WHY WHY WHY TORTURE BUSH,MURDER ASSASINATION OBAMA HMMMMM.


Michael Green
Comment posted May 13, 2011 @ 11:43 pm Bravo Amy!But I think it’s fortunate Ms Bachmann is in Washington pandering her brand of hubris and bullshit where her harmful effect is diluted in a larger pool of the same than in local politics where it would perhaps be more powerfully caustic.


S Hebert
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 12:31 am Wow, we are some pathetic adults. It’s sad that a child has to be the one to stand up like this, but I applaud her. I hope we learn from her.


Kelly M
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 12:33 am I attended public school and was able to use vocabulary similar to Amy when I was a sophomore. It is not surprising that she is able to write this thoughtfully – afterall, the office Bachman holds deserves respect (if not the person).I, too, am from Minnesota and I am completely befuddled as to how she got elected and then re-elected. We are a blue state and yes, while she represents a wealthy district, MN has plenty of affluent Dems. Long before she was running amuck on the national news, she was doing crazy acts in the state.One of my favorite stories was Bachman spying on a GLBT gathering on MN capital lawn. She choose to hide in the bushes rather than walk in – and, naturally, she was seen hiding in the bushes. What kind of public official acts like that??Embarassing.


Nick
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 12:55 am I live in MN, though I do not live in Bachmann’s district, I cannot believe this clown got re-elected. I fully support Amy in this endeavor and I encourage her to keep pressing this issue until she can fully expose Ms. Bachmann for what she truly is, a hypocrite and a lunatic.


diane
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 1:04 am Genius, Amy, GENIUS!


Steve Miller
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 3:02 am I am begining to second guess what the article was about I had to actually go back and check to see.The Girl is a 10th grader in a public school, I don’t care how good the school is and at what level it supposedly performs it is still a public school and at best the education these kids are getting is second best. Perhaps she is an idiot savant on the subject of the Constitution, but the Constitution is a very limited document so anyone who spent a little time could memorize it.Michelle Bachmann on the other hand has a Masters in Law, perhaps that really doesn’t mean much, because I have known some really stupid lawyers. But the point is Amy is already at a major disadvantage in a debate.Now we get to the meat of the issue. The only thing that can really be debated on the Constitution is the “interputation” of what is meant. There are those who believe it is to be taken literally and there are those who believe that changing times and additudes should affect how it is read. But since the creation of the U.S. Supreme Court not a single set of Judges have ever reached a unanimous decision on an interputation every part of the Constitution.

So given the fact above there would be little point in Ms. Bachmann having a debate on the consitution with a high school girl.

I am just curious but can anyone point out where Ms. Bachmann misquoted the constitution, I am not a follower of Bachmann or politics in general so I haven’t listened to any of her speeches.

But if Amy wanted to debate someone and have a chance at winning she might challenge our President to a debate on geography and U.S. history!


Zera Lee
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 3:38 am

The Questions on the Form (Text Version)
How many people were living or staying in this house, apartment, or mobile home on April 1, 2010?
We ask this question to help get an accurate count of the number of people in the household on Census Day, April 1, 2010. The answer should be based on the guidelines in the ‘Start here’ section. We use the information to ensure response accuracy and completeness and to contact respondents whose forms have incomplete or missing information.

Were there any additional people staying here April 1, 2010 that you did not include in Question 1?
Asked since 1880. We ask this question to help identify people who may have been excluded in the count provided in Question 1. We use the information to ensure response accuracy and completeness and to contact respondents whose forms have incomplete or missing information.

Is this house, apartment, or mobile home: owned with mortgage, owned without mortgage, rented, occupied without rent?
Asked since 1890. Homeownership rates serve as an indicator of the nation’s economy. The data are also used to administer housing programs and to inform planning decisions.

What is your telephone number?
We ask for a phone number in case we need to contact a respondent when a form is returned with incomplete or missing information.

Please provide information for each person living here. Start with a person here who owns or rents this house, apartment, or mobile home. If the owner or renter lives somewhere else, start with any adult living here. This will be Person 1. What is Person 1′s name?
Listing the name of each person in the household helps the respondent to include all members, particularly in large households where a respondent may forget who was counted and who was not. Also, names are needed if additional information about an individual must be obtained to complete the census form. Federal law protects the confidentiality of personal information, including names.

What is Person 1′s sex?
Asked since 1790. Census data about sex are important because many federal programs must differentiate between males and females for funding, implementing and evaluating their programs. For instance, laws promoting equal employment opportunity for women require census data on sex. Also, sociologists, economists, and other researchers who analyze social and economic trends use the data.

What is Person 1′s age and Date of Birth?
Asked since 1800. Federal, state, and local governments need data about age to interpret most social and economic characteristics, such as forecasting the number of people eligible for Social Security or Medicare benefits. The data are widely used in planning and evaluating government programs and policies that provide funds or services for children, working-age adults, women of childbearing age, or the older population.

Is Person 1 of Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin?
Asked since 1970. The data collected in this question are needed by federal agencies to monitor compliance with anti-discrimination provisions, such as under the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act. State and local governments may use the data to help plan and administer bilingual programs for people of Hispanic origin.

What is Person 1′s race?
Asked since 1790. Race is key to implementing many federal laws and is needed to monitor compliance with the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act. State governments use the data to determine congressional, state and local voting districts. Race data are also used to assess fairness of employment practices, to monitor racial disparities in characteristics such as health and education and to plan and obtain funds for public services.

Does Person 1 sometimes live or stay somewhere else?
This is another question we ask in order to ensure response accuracy and completeness and to contact respondents whose forms have incomplete or missing information.

This is scary intrusive stuff, all right!

She changed her mind about boycotting the census once someone told her that HER district was on the chopping block if we lost a House seat, and low response could easily make that happen.


Sarah
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 3:56 am @Geekmaster TuckSince Michelle Bachman, like Ronald Reagan and George W Bush would never debate without a crib sheet, or crib recorder in the case of GWB, Ms. Myers was wise to put her points in her letter.


Bizu
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 4:50 am Michelle.. BE READY TO GET YOUR ASS HANDED TO BY A SOPHOMORE!!!!!GO AMY!!


Reality
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 5:48 am I think she is awesome! She is most likely being raised by ignorant parents who consider themselves to be elite republicans even though they are less than middle class. That have put their faith in everything they stand for. Lost 90% of their life savings in the high risk stock market, are on the verge of losing everything and still blame Obama for their ignorance. Even though the crises happened before he got into office. This is why she rejects her parents political beliefs and has made her OWN decisions at a young age, she has lived the hipocrisy with foolish parents! Go and kick some butt!


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Eric
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 7:20 am @jimuglyYou sure do take the long way to demonstrate your ignorance. Find Richard Dawkins numerous takedowns of irreducible complexity. I’m not going to elaborate since I’m typing this on my phone. Google is you friend.


Xboxershorts
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 9:12 am Bachmann is not an idiot. She knows she’s stretching facts when she invokes constitutionality. She’s got an agenda that goes well beyond representing her constituency. She advocates a dominionist version of American Christianity as law and she knows this requires either lies of omission (in re American history) or specific interpretations of the constitution. She is a philosophical allly of the “C” street bunch known as “The Family” and what I’ve taken from their philosophy so far is that they believe the Christian ends they pursue are justified by any means necessary. It’s a twisted perspective that rubs the vast majority of America the wrong way. She’s not an idiot. She does and says these things with an end goal in mindKnowing this, that Rep Bachmann repeatedly, willingly and intentionally engages in revisionism, she would never ever engage this civic minded child in a public debate.Which is unfortunate, as I for one, would pay


Momster
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 9:34 am Either of my sons (who both attended public school K12) could have written that letter as sophomores. Both received excellent educations in our local public school system. Fie on those who claim a HS sophomore couldn’t have written that letter.I think it would pay (or donate money to the educational foundation of this young lady’s choice) to see the proposed debate.


Momster
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 9:37 am That should say “I think I would pay”. Typing with a brace on is not in my skill set…


Carl
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 9:44 am Fiction etched in tradition is still fiction; Santa Claus, Noah’s Ark and the Tooth Fairy are but three examples. Come on Michele, debate the young lady. What are you afraid of?Praise Jebus, God hates a public school education, Amen.


drake allen
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 9:44 am wow, what a lot of comments and what a bold gesture on the part of a high school sophmore. just joined the debate team, no doubt and looking to make her bones. perhaps a debate IS in order, on a national level, to seperate the emotional arguments on what constitutes ‘rights’ versus desires, from precise interpretation- dare i say it- ‘what the founding fathers intended’.
however, the question remains, who would participate in this debate. during the controversy over the president’s birth certificate, advocates for disclosure were constantly rebuffed for lack of ‘standing’. this, it would seem, turned out to mean donald trump, which doesn’t exactly match what conventional wisdom would have envisioned ‘standing’ to be. so be it, a lawyer, retired military officer or elected official didn’t fill the bill, but the host of a reallity show did. amazing. maybe when amy is host of a reallity show, she’d have ‘standing’. till then, maybe someone a little more well known, might better fill the bill. i’m just sayin’


Momster
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 9:52 am Alecta states:“Given that many teachers and parents can neither spell nor compose a literate sentence, Ms Myers may indeed appear exceptional.”Parents? Perhaps. Teachers? I don’t know a single teacher that can’t spell or compose a proper sentence. Not one. Anecdotal evidence is…anecdotal. And unverifiable.


Chad Kuehne
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 9:52 am Might I point out that while questionably educated, Bachman has not been appointed to a position in education, she has been elected as a politician and she is very good at that. Civic knowledge and politics are not always perfectly alligned, and we need to blame ourselves for that. I am thrilled that someone as young as Amy has called this politician out on the carpet on her misinformed or naive statements. I am hoping that this will stick in the back of Michelle’s head when her administrative assistants suggest, or she feels like distorting more facts. Big picture…we need to expect more of our elected officials and we do that by asking for more debates between candidates, being less influenced by soundbites and unsubstantiated statements, and holding them accountable for ALL that they say and do. Please forgive my typos.


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blindrighteye
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 10:08 am only conservatives believe proletariat asking questions of politicians with a conservative worldview is a bad thing they had no problem when joe the would be plumber asked president obama a question , grow up and be happy that the next generation wants to be involved , she is a very impressive articulate young woman and i hope she does not lose interest as she surely would reading the ridiculous attacks on her in this comment section @ jimugly i bet the dover case means nothing to you thats the one where michael behes hypothesis was DESTROYED but feel free to ignore arguments that go against your beliefs as you have been doing throughout this comment thread


Wowzers
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 10:36 am Meiden said:–”BIrkey provided two…one by Politifact, a liberal organization, who reached in an attempt to prove Bachmann wrong about her stance on the Census. I agree with Bachmann here that Article 1, Section 2 states that the Constitution calls for an ENUMERATION to be held once every 10 years. If you further look at the purpose of the census (apportionment of the number of House seats) then it is clear that questions such as race, income, etc. are not necessary and should be unconstitutional. Politifact, as usual, tries to use Supreme Court cases supporting Congress’ power to ask other questions as the reason Bachmann is wrong. Would Politifact been right in supporting slavery prior to Dred Scott?”–Your characterization of Politifact as a “liberal organization” is essentially baseless, but moving beyond that, the constitution also specifies that the enumeration “be carried out in such a manner as (Congress) shall by law direct”. To me, and I’d guess to most other people, that signals that the framers intended for the Census’ composition and execution to subject to change by Congress. I’ll grant that it may be inferred (and given your apparent views on judicial review re: banging Politifact over citing the Supreme Court, I suspect that’s all you’ll need), but let’s keep going anyways. Oh, and to answer your question, yes, Politifact would have hypothetically been factually correct in supporting the idea that slavery was legal prior to emancipation. Who’s obfuscating now?????–”Finally, to show how long Politifact’s “arms” must be in reaching, they used the 1790 Census to support their claim. Of course that Census needed to ask about race because there was a different measure of counting done for slaves and women as women could not fight in the war. Both sets of “alternative questions” had to do with the same purpose…enumeration of people to support determination of representatives.”–

The “additional questions” in the 1790′s (as you point out) also had the purpose of assessing other aspects of the United States (military readiness, etc. and so on), as do the current questions (effectiveness or lack thereof of federal funding of programs, etc. and so on). If it was OK then, by your argument, how in the world is not OK now?

–”Now bottom line, Bachmann (and I) could end up being wrong in this case but Politifact’s claim she is “lying” or Birkey’s use of this as an example is just plain reaching. It is a very real and completely reasonable discussion and in no way is a castigation of Bachmann’s understanding of the Constitution.”–

Bachmann: “And I know for my family the only question that we will be answering is how many people are in our home. We won’t be answering any information beyond that, *because the Constitution doesn’t require any information beyond that*.”

The Constitution doesn’t require any information from her, period. The Constitution requires *Congress* to conduct a census “in such a manner as they shall by law direct”. There you have you your lie and your demonstration of Bachmann’s lack of constitutional understanding.


Seattle Architect
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 10:50 am WOW. I don’t think I’ve been this proud of a high school student in a long, long, LONG time.Way to go Amy – you’ll go far in life! Michelle does not have the guts (or stupidity) to try and debate you; or anyone in the seven or eight grades below you for that matter!


MartyFunkhauser
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:05 am How about some actual examples of Rep Bachman’s Constitutional inaccuracies?
No right to own a firearm perhaps
That abortion is mentioned in the constitution
That the Commerce Clause allows the Fed Govt to force individuals to engage in commerce with a private corporation (ie Obamacare mandate for all you leftists)A lot of leftists here are “proud” of what is no doubt an indoctrinated student. I propose instead that little Amy debate someone from Hillsdale College.I remember in the mid 1990s a leftwing little snot tried to engage in debt with Rep Dick Armey. Armey shut him up in 2 seconds and the little twerp went away with his tail between his legs


webecomeostriches
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:11 am Jimugly is confusing faith with the effort required to mentally process deductive reasoning. So, yes, evolution requires far more of this effort to explain the origin of species and how we all came to be, than faith in the creator as defined by the religions of Abraham. That is why there is so much comfort for those who believe in a Christian God and Jesus: it’s easy to give up trying to rationalize complexity in the world and the universe and just say ‘someone else did all that for us – thank goodness that someone else looks like my grandfather or my college professor’.One thing is for sure: evolution has not andanced us far enough as a species to collectively deal with this topic without turning us all stupid.Or maybe I have it all wrong … maybe God’s design includes a Darwinian future where only the strong survive: he meant for the believers in America to stock up on guns to one day kill all the non-believers!!


webecomeostriches
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:13 am andanced = advanced


MartyFunkhauser
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:14 am “”Might I point out that while questionably educated, Bachman””hmmm…I guess William and Mary JD in Tax Law isnt good enough for you.Michelle quotes:“”6. “Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.” -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, April, 2009″” This is indeed an accurate statement. Is your health worse off due to rising CO2 levels? AGW is a fraudulent religion. Its backers have been caught redhanded fudging the data.

“”10. “I don’t know where they’re going to get all this money because we’re running out of rich people in this country.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, accusing the Obama administration of plotting to divert money from Republican to Democratic districts and planning to tax the wealthy to fund the windfalls, Feb. 2009″”

Another 100% correct statement by Michelle Bachman. The top 1%, according to the US Treasury, pay 40% of all income taxes. Even if the top 1% was taxed at 100%, it wouldnt raise enough revenue to cover Obama’s $1.6t deficits.


MartyFunkhauser
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:21 am “”ssues he’s gotten us into?!?! Well, of the $14 trillion deficit we have, $10 trillion was attributablt to Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. Are you angry at them? Were you angry at Reagan when he said “deficits don’t matter”?””So in other words Obama was run up more debt in 2.5 years than Reagan/Bush 41 and Bush 43 did individually over 20 years(ie took 20 years to run up $10 trillion Obama took only 2.5 to run up $4 trillion, so Obama is running up debt at almost 4x the rate of Reagan, Bush and Bush). I am not sure your statistic makes your point that Obama is anything more than the most fiscally reckless president in US History.
Also Reagan never said “deficits dont matter” Cheney said that in 2006 when the US Fed Budget Deficit was 2% of GDP and $200b not 10% of GDP and $1.6 trillion


MartyFunkhauser
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:21 am I hope little Amy can debate better then you grown up liberals can…..its like shooting fish in a barrel


Dustin
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:23 am I, personally, think that debates should happen, if only on principle alone. However, I do notice several people coming to the conclusion that, on one hand, because Bachmann is a Representative, it would be below her to debate a high schooler, while on the other hand, Amy is a liberal “elitist” for speaking out against Bachmann’s conservative ideology. Does that seem a bit hypocritical to anyone else? I’m not trying to take sides here, but it seems to me that too often one side of the aisle resorts to ad hominem instead of respectfully talking about the issues. Maybe I’m wrong, though.That being said, why shouldn’t Bachmann debate Amy? She is a Representative, true. But does that not also make her a public servant? She absolutely should answer to the public. It is, in my opinion, her job. Amy pointed this out in her letter.On the news issue, this is absolutely newsworthy. Isn’t time that we see individuals standing up for their own convictions and opinions rather than simply accepting what they are told?


MartyFunkhauser
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:25 am “”“As one of a handful of women in Congress, you hold a distinct privilege and responsibility to better represent your gender nationally.”””As opposed to those paragons of brilliance Babs Boxer and Patty Murray


John McRae
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:31 am All Rep. Bachmann would need to do is ask this kid this question: “Amy, please explain where in the Constitution you find authorization for the special privileges you, as a female, will enjoy as you go out into the world that will be granted you and members of protected classes of racial minorities at the expense of your fellow citizens who happen to have been born white and male.” It would be all over. It can’t be done.


Patrick DeBurgh
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:32 am Dispatch Gov Christie after Bachmann goes down.


stacy
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:33 am There is no call in the media for Bachmann to debate Obama, or the likes of any of his liberal peers, and instead they want her to debate a young lady? Seems only like cowards, like to use shields because they and know they are morally wrong. How is it that that Osama can use of his young wife’s as a shield to debate the American peoples freedom, how is putting a young lady in this debate about the freedom of the American tax payer any different? Coward, you all are, why don’t you ask the media to put Bachmann in the ring with Obama, why, ‘cuase you know you would lose!


erich
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:47 am liberal communist will defend to the countrys end and rationalise our debt and our sorry educational system.teachers and the unions and the dept of education have turned it into a national joke. real statistics show the govt run school system is a big a failure as soviet style communism as is the the democratic partys use of union funds as a money laundering operation for the libs.no longer will state tax payers be shaken down by public employee unions to fund there pacs and out of touch salarys and pensions.there defense of bankrupting the state budgets to the bitter end only shows the people that the democratic party have used communist tacticsto take from private citizens to support those citizens own downfall and collect money to destroy any republican or other political threat.do not pay money to the very people who have destroyed this countries wonderfull path


ray
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:50 am I WOULD JUST LIKE BACHMAN TO BE ON
SMARTER THAN A 5TH GRADERWOW 315 POST
DON’T BACK DOWN AMYGOOD JOB AMY


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webecomeostriches
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 12:59 pm I think MartyFunkyhauser is missing a few things. There are a lot of bad things going in America right now, and many point to symptoms as if they were root causes. We are not looking at issues hollistically – micro and macro. In other words, we are not seeing the forest through the trees. And we can point to solutions without considering cause and effect. Consider all of this viewpoints:We have shipped our manufacturing base, and now much of our hi-tech base, overseas. We have collectively traded our middle class for cheap junk, bad call center service, and swiss-cheese-like security holes in our nations software and networking infrastructure.We need to absolutely reduce the deficit. Cutting programs should not be done willy-nilly. Cutting to the point where people live on the street may mean we have to pay more for basic human services, law enforcement, and correctional facilities later. Put someone on the street, and the instinct to survive morphs into things that result in us paying for corrective action later. Put more in the street, and a house or apartment complex foreclosure happens, the neighborhood goes to hell, real estate values drop, assessment values drop, taxes on real estate and apartment rents drop. Less tax *revenue* to keep any jurisdiction’s budget balanced. Certainly, there will be a short to medium term effect in making drastic cuts to entitlement programs for the lower-middle class. What both parties need to do – and are afraid of doing without losing their campaign funding – is drastically cut pentagon funding. I am totally for cutting the deficit – it needs to not be self-defeating, and when it is under control, we will have more money in the economy for small and middle-sized businesses. These are the engines of our economy, and less money paid to foreign debt holders, along with a *regulated* credit market that ensures available credit for small and medium-sized businesses, will get us out of this mess.Killing Obama Care, as folks like to call it, probably won’t have an effect. The purpose of health care reform is to fix the system. Anyone who complains about reform has a job and can afford *their* quality health care. Micro view. We seem to forget that as a society, we have not yet devolved to the point of letting people simply die in the street if they aren’t covered. So, all of us, myself included, who have good health insurance, end up paying for their care through higher premiums. A harsh way to look at this from a ‘my rights’ standpoint: OK – let’s not force people to get health care. If they don’t have it, let them die with their rights when they get sick or hurt. I don’t promote this view, just providing contrast and context. With guaranteed insurance, those who would otherwise not be covered can get preventative care … so that *we* might not have to pay for *their* emergency room bill later. How about *my* rights as a premium payer, eh? Why should I pay the insurance company or health establishment for *them*?? Not my view – providing context.

The upper class that has survived the degradation of our economic system at the hands of the internet and deregulation, have become VERY wealthy. FunkyHauser, please note *that* in your view of the wealthy being taxed for their fair share compaired to the rest of us. For the record, I am a software engineer and use the internet all of the time, so do not assume I have fear of the internet. It’s cool, it’s neat, it makes my life easier – micro view. Like money and power, the internet is but a tool used for good and bad, intentional or otherwise. In its current state with other hi-tech advances, it has become a reflection of our nature as a species.

History demonstrates the fall and decline of civilizations that lose their middle class. What is unique about America is our ability to adapt. We almost had our fall during the Great Depression. Economic conditions leading up to this and during it demonstrated a decline in the middle class. We are not using that episode in our history, and the railroad depressions of the late 1880s, as a lesson for our current situation.

The middle class has historically provided a much larger tax base in the US. Let’s bring back the middle class!

Our self-proclaimed view of ‘the American Dream’ and the political projection of this has prevented us from speaking of class without it treated like a pinko-commie-faggot four-letter-word. Face it everyone: we have a class problem in the US today, and we need to have it fixed … by someone impartial to the upper class. The upper class either has been elected to run Washington or unduly influence Washington – both parties.

The recent downturn has been the worst since the GD. We point to the dems and their spending as a ’cause’. The spending is an ‘effect’: precipitously falling tax base, growing outpayments of existing entitlement programs (existed before dem control) for unemployment and such, paying for continued wars – not started by dems. As for the TARP programs and such – not started by dems, I don’t LIKE them like anyone else, but everyone is seeing these as a ’cause’, or that they ‘failed’. We don’t really know that they failed. How do you predict whether half of America would be pissing in the gutter and sleeping in the ditch vs. the current 10 – 20%. Remember, except for the ultimate insiders at Golman Sachs, all of Wall Street was imploding. There were perfectly functioning and financed businesses on ‘Main Street’ that suddenly lost all of the *operating* cash financing. We need those programs to go away and make sure the tax payers get *all* of their money – but talk of whether they failed or not – just noise.

Accordingly here are our primary causes:
Deregulation
Deregulation
Deregulation
Tax breaks for the rich

Everything else is a symptom.

Regulation can bring back the middle class. We should demand congress to look at regulation – with a view toward what realities exist in today’s market – not necessarily re-enact old regulation. The goal of regulation: Bring back the middle class jobs, ensure institutions and an environment that our kids can inherit without cursing our names, bring back a tax *base* that will reduce the deficit. Regulation should be for balance, *maintaining* a healthy economic system (not just a flash in the pan), and ensuring equitable treatment of both *American* businesses and consumers. Regulation for regulation-sake is bad.

A blind ambition to get ‘government off our backs’ will tranform, unfortunately, into a vacuum which other powerful authorities will fill. And we can’t vote those out or regulate them directly. I want to believe in our special rights as Americans as ‘living free and unfettered’. Do not delude yourselves with this without understanding that corporations – big corporations / monopolies – will become our authorities and our regulators. We cannot vote them away.

Corporations are not evil in and of themselves. Left unregulated, they race to the ‘bottom line’ in order to survive. Interesting that this is an expression of Darwinian principles. Those that survive eventually become monopolies, of course. The best approach is a *marketplace* that includes a balanced system of competition among regulated – govt or otherwise – private enterprises. An unregulated marketplace is like anything else in life: too much of a ‘good’ thing is a ‘bad’ thing.

What I find difficult to comprehend is our collective inability to learn from history. Our pendulum swing from the left in the 60s is still going right.. If you think we’re so far to the left now, please remember that the rich are still taxed at the lowest rates in recent history. They pay ‘more’ because they make so much more, and as a class, their disproportion of wealth is higher than at any other time in our history. Basic math, folks. Entitlement programs for people who have lost their job to China, India, or elsewhere, or health payments for the elderly or dispossessed is a SYMPTOM of the problem.

I say to anyone who claims liberals and progressives are ‘socialists’, I say the right wing conservatives are ‘social Darwinists’. So, for anyone who feels affronted by the Glenn Becks of the world using the word ‘socialism’ to label everything that does not step in line with their agenda, then respond in kind and label them ‘social Darwinists’. It would be a far more accurate label than the labels they let dribble from their mouths. Remember, our pendulum is still too far right. If FDR were alive today, he would not have a chance – he’s be labeled a communist! Heresy!! I’m not saying it should be *on* the left – it should be in the middle. Balance and maturity is all I am calling for!


clbiel
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 1:16 pm @Darwin
“If there is a heaven then there must be a heaven for Dinosaurs, Cats, Dogs, Aliens, trees, bacteria.”Now there’s a theoretical debate I would go to.


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Ace
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 1:22 pm @Anonymous 4I understand you are in high school…When I was young I didn’t know about logic and I don’t know that I know much more now that I’m older…
I don’t care if you believe creation or evolution, I’m not sure about them myself…However, when thinking and debating outside the box, we have to keep an open mind. I like to use logical arguments. You can find them listed on the internet…The one I like most is “Appeal to Belief” – Just because many people believe something to be true, does not make it true.
Here are a few rebuttals.“There are three ways the universe could exist. 1. It’s random. 2. It’s made to fit the laws of nature. 3. It’s by design.”
– What about 4…The Universe has always existed…?1. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. That probability is astronomical.
– Just because it doesn’t make sense you, doesn’t disprove it. (Kind of the same way that creationists say…god works in mysterious ways)…Also, even if the probability is .000~001%, it is still possible. Therefore, not false.

2. There are 10^500 (that’s 1 with 500 0′s) possible universes that fulfill the laws of nature.
-Awesome. Sounds like pretty good odds to get one of those…We got lucky and ours worked. Again, you didn’t disprove the statement…Also, where did this number/fact come from? Just because you said it, doesn’t mean I’ll believe it…

3. If there are 3 choices, and two are false, the third must be correct.
-This is logical fallacy called a “False Dilemma”. X or Y or Z is true, X and Y are false, therefore Z is true…
If there are 3 choices…Exactly…My first statement proved there are more than 3, the logical fallacy says all 3 could be false, or more than one true…
Neither of your statements proved the statements false.

Now if you say the world has no beginning and time is infinite, then the earth has been around for an infinite amount of time.
-I don’t think anyone says the world has no beginning… It was probably formed quite a long time ago, but it is no where near infinitely ageless…Time -is- infinite, that’s the only thing that I’ll agree to…Some people think the Universe has been around for an infinite amount of time, and I tend to agree. But that’s just my opinion, and I could be wrong. Now I’m verklempt. Talk amongst yourselves.


webecomeostriches
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 1:48 pm @stacy and erich – your views appear to be in line with your spelling and grammar abilities. Can we please have some intelligible debate here, folks?!On the other hand, if I take my own words to heart and view all of this from a Darwinian standpoint, I should relish in the parallel of this debate to the behavior exhibited by lesser and greater traits within the species.


GOPTEATARDED
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 2:10 pm BACHMAN LIED ABOUT OBAMA’s BIRTHBACHMAN NEEDS TO BE CALLED OUT.. FOR HER LIESBACHMAN IS UNFIT TO BE IN GOVfacts


Rush Dean
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 2:31 pm -REVOLUTION-
Very Nice. This is showing that the new generation is not only becoming smarter, but is embracing a more open way of thinking. Checking these supposed “Representatives” and calling them out on their blatent false statements is like a FINE WINE. Makes you wonder why and how in the world Mrs. Bachmann would put herself infront of a group of United States Citizens and bable about things she has no idea of. Mrs. Bachmann is obviously delusional.OH YEAH, Mrs. Bachmann, i think its time you went ahead and took that resignation. Amy Myers is gonna make you look like an infant just learning to speak. In 20 years or so our generation is going to be running this country, so watch out old skeletons its time to retire and let the professionals (Amy Myers) take over from here. Keep up the good work Amy, were gonna need people like you soon.
-RUSH DEAN_OUT-


Carl
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 3:11 pm Wow. The extent to which some will go to rationalize voodoo is staggering. I say give Michele a microphone, make her comfortable and ask her where dinosaur fossils come from.Come on Michele “enlighten” the world with your true beliefs!Praise Jebus, God hates knowledge, Amen.


Nancy
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 3:18 pm For those skeptics who question whether it is likely that a high school sophomore could have written this letter – I believe it. I attended the same public high school, which was known for exceptionally high academic standards. Families including mine moved to the area specifically for the school system. Taxes were high, but a lot of it went to education. Looks like it paid off. Go, Amy Meyers!


Alyce
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 3:30 pm In light of recent depictions of New Jersey residents — as gangsters, exhibitionist housewives, and stupid, drunken oafs — it’s refreshing and reassuring to see an intelligent, articulate teenager who is brave enough to do this.


Chris
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 3:31 pm @ Rush DeanAn open way of thinking ??! If you call parroting the partisan fringe regurgitate from the left and their displaced hatred for a Politician that has done zero damage to our economy (unlike your inadequate President ) “open thinking” then your just another Obama-bot with no hope of ever making an objective and intelligent argument.Bachman is just another one of the lefts manufactured villains that you people use to distract from who’s really destroying the Country. Name one thing Obama has done to improve our economy ? Our standing in the world ?


Greta
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 3:46 pm I worked the Tarryl Clark campaign this fall in MN, and Bachmann wouldn’t even show up to debate her own opponent. I have hope for you Amy, but I’m honestly not expecting anything to come of this. – Greta


Tellurian
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 3:49 pm I wonder if this would be news if Myers had challenged Joe Biden to a debate on the Constitution. After all, Biden somehow didn’t know that the duties of the Vice President are described in Article 1 despite spending decades in the Senate.


susie
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 3:52 pm Who is Jebus? Amy’s a genious. Kid sound very smart and not afraid to show it.


ray
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 3:52 pm OK HERE IT ISMICHELLE BACHMAN VRS AMY MYERS DEBATE
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ECT.A PERSON CAME FORWARD TO GET AMY MYERS A AIRLINE TICKET TO MPLS MN
ALONG WITH TWO COMPANIONS, HOTEL AND EXPENSES PAID FORTHE BEST PLACE WOULD BE THE MONTICELLO COMMUNITY CENTER,MINNESOTA [ SIXTH DISTRICT ,CENTRAL MINNESOTA ]
DATE TO BE DETERMINED [ [HOPEFULLY IN MID TO LATE JUNE 2011]

1 HOPEFULLY SOME PEOPLE CAN HELP DEFRAY THE COST
TO GET HER HERE
OBVIOUSLY IT SHOULD BE HELD IN THE SIXTH DISTRICT OF MINNESOTA

2 PLEASE POST SOME ,GENERAL IDEAS TO GET THIS TO HAPPEN
PLEASE NO BAD REMARKS ,OR BAD ATTITUDE NEGATIVE POST

LETS SEE A DEBATE ,
WHO EVER SEES THIS POST , LETS LET THE GOVERNMENTAL PROCESS WORK
AND FORWARD THIS POST TO EVERY MEDIA PERSON AS POSSIBLE

ITS UP TO YOU OVER 300 POST [ WOW ]

MICHELLE EXPECT A CALL ON MONDAY TO START SETTING A DATE

MONTICELLO COMMUNITY CENTER ,MONTICELLO MINNESOTA TO BE HELD

DEBATE
MICHELLE BACHMAN VRS AMY MYERS ,CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS


webecomeostriches
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 4:07 pm Chris has selective memory. Obama inherited a piece o’ crap from dubya. Economy in the tank already and our standing was trashed by our stupidity going into Iraq to oust Hussein … “’cause he tried to kill ma daddy”. Economically, our standing is trashed in the world because the Wall Street implosion had a ripple-effect across the world. Also, it doesn’t help that people outside the US see that our policies for global deregulation have hurt them more than helped them … unless you live in China or India (and are in the upper class there). The fact that Obama could not stand up to the new teabaggers in congress to do away w/ the Bush era tax cuts lessens my opinion of him, but he probably didn’t have much of a choice politically: “do I stick to my guns, or do I damage my chances of re-election in 2012?”Let’s stop the nonsense and blame both parties for this mess. There is plenty of blame to go around. And yes, tax the rich at rates they always had been taxed and cut the budget for the pentagon. Believe it or not, the country was better *economically* when there was a more progressive tax code w/ fewer loopholes for the rich and when the pentagon got less money from uncle sam. It actually led to conditions for a balance budget – duh!! If things are worse now, then who’s really “destroying the Country”??Does the selective memory make Chris a Bush-bot??


ray
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 4:13 pm HEY ONE MORE THING PLEASE MINUMUL OPINIONS FROM ANYONE ELSE
AND HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPENLETS PUT THIS TOGETHER AND HEAR THEIR OPINIONS AT THE MONTICELLO COMMUNITY CENTER ,


Nicole
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 5:07 pm I wish Amy Myers would move here and represent us instead. Tea baggers are a bunch of loud mouthed, self righteous, bible banging lunatics!


Carolyn Ackel
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 5:11 pm Amy, you are “spot On”! So proud of you. What a great kid you are, though you don’t sound like a kid). You have done what no one else has even talked about doing, at least talked publically about it. I would pay $ to see this and fly anywhere this debate would be held. You go for it sweetie! Shame on Bachman if she ignores you!


RogerCfromSD
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 5:45 pm I love visiting Minnesota. Lake Vermillion is beautiful. But, the political bent of the locals leaves a lot to be desired.


Morgan
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 5:57 pm US Representative Michele Bachmann is not interested in doing anything much at all while in Congress. Her biggest reason to be in Congress is to be a running mouth. Most of her mission is to do nothing but to oppose our president. She really doesn’t care if she accomplishes much else while in Congress.Her disdain for her constituents was shown by her campaign for office in Congress that had her flying around the US like a celebrity and not meeting with folks back in her home district until the last few weeks of her campaign.
Her unsavory association with the gospel music group “You Can Run But You Can’t Hide” lead by Bradlee Dean that advocates execution for gay people is nothing short of sickening and repulsive and unfit for a member of Congress.Defeat her at the polls in the next election and elect someone who will work hard for Minnesotans and for all of our country.


Morgan
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 6:02 pm John McRaeYour comments are anti-female, racist and attrocious.


a-nonny-mouse
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 6:42 pm Have you noticed not one Bachman supporter has stepped forward to brag on her intelligence? To say she is capable and qualified for her job? To suggest Bachman could intellectually crush this girl in a debate?It must be embarrassing when all you can do is ignore the big pink elephant in the middle of the room.By merely throwing out the challenge this girl has already made her point. That to be a wingnut, brains are not required.


Liz
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 7:15 pm To the skeptics. I just finished reading through a good number of scholarship applications from out local high school, and they were very well written, intelligent, thoughtful, excellent letters. I was amazed at them, and was a bit embarrassed that I was unable to write so intelligently when I was that age. I do not believe that she had any help with that letter. And she is right on! If only the ignorant Bachman would take her up on it! Wouldn’t that be fun??


genome
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 7:23 pm Amy must be an IPLE student. Way to go Amy!


labman57
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 9:49 pm Bachmann couldn’t out-debate a 5th grader, which is one reason why she will never appear on Maddow or any other show where her banal, fact-devoid rhetoric would be challenged.


Rush Dean
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 10:09 pm @ChrisMrs. Bachmann isnt even in the position to have a detrimental effect on our economy as a whole. Your jumbled mess of “intelligent” words is straying away from the point.
We have a woman that screws herself on her own words. On your Obama statement, unfortunately hes a puppet, a great public speaker, but not my choice either. The only people that make the important decisions are the high-up big-wig old farts that have their own agenda. As far as being on the left, I would consider myself a straight shooter. Alabama boy- out-
McCain-bot wooobuddy.


Lyle Fales
Comment posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:00 pm 91% of the current debt was accrued under Reagan, Bush, and Bush. It’s easy to write hot checks. Get your heads out of the sand. FOX news is like the WWE, entertaining, but you ain’t supposed to take it seriously.


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Pingback posted May 14, 2011 @ 11:13 pm […] high propagandize has infused her with an audacity kaleidoscopic by delusions of grandeur. For Amy Myers has publically challenged Rep. Bachmann to a duel. A duel of difference to be sure, though a duel all a […]


Don
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 2:27 am Thank God there are kids still out there like Amy. My faith in the future has just been given a kick in the pants.


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Pingback posted May 15, 2011 @ 2:43 am […] high propagandize has infused her with an audacity kaleidoscopic by delusions of grandeur. For Amy Myers has publically challenged Rep. Bachmann to a duel. A duel of difference to be sure, though a duel all a […]


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Pingback posted May 15, 2011 @ 4:08 am […] long as incoherence has been brought up: Michele Bachmann. She has been challenged to a duel of wits by a high school student. I’m impressed by the […]


Red Raider
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 8:17 am So-called conservatives are quaking in their suits behind their revisionist wall!!! Ms. Bachmann, if debating a meer high school sophmore is below you, I am 57 years old & I will gladly debate you on Constitutional law. Please note that I am NOT a lawyer. I do have a high school education. That is all I need to be able stand & point out all of your factual inaccuracies & misrepresentations.As for you naysayers that have commented on this post: You, along with Ms. Bachmann, are the reasons why this country is taking a nose-dive!!Go Amy!!!


Chad
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 8:48 am First of all, Amy clearly doesn’t give examples to back her statements. Secondly, I seriously doubt she wrote this her self – she had help from others. Thirdly, I would put my money on Bachman. Fourthly, if Amy is so into the Constitution being followed, this letter actually should have been sent to Obama.GOP 2012!


Scott
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 9:34 am Maybe this 10th grader would be better off by challenging Obama to a Constitutional debate. Given his ignorance of the Constitution’s limits placed upon the federal government, it would be interesting to say the least. Of course, there are no teleprompters allowed.


Tim
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 9:49 am Amy, I am sure you could take half of congress..


a-nonny-mouse
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 10:22 am I’m with Morgan.“Her biggest reason to be in Congress is to be a running mouth. Most of her mission is to do nothing but to oppose our president. She really doesn’t care if she accomplishes much else while in Congress.”For all her crying “foul” over entitlements she did accept money to bail out her failing farm.http://www.dumpbachmann.com/2009/08/bachmanns-farm-profits-helping-pay.html

“Although Bachmann is a vociferous opponent of all federal subsidies, in 2007, it was reported that land owned by the Bachmann Farm Family Limited Partnership had collected at least $127,868 in federal farm subsidies since the partnership was formed in 2001. Federal subsidies for the Bachmann farm averaged about $30,000 a year from 2003-2005, the most recent years for which data is available.”

The word I am thinking of rhymes with floor.


American
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 11:03 am UNFAIR! This student is a GENIUS. Her would-be adversary is an idiot. How’s this a fair debate???


Ellen Simonis
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 1:22 pm @ skeptical and others who doubted a sophomore could write this: Why? As a high school English teacher I have no doubts that I have sophomore students who could write this well. Perhaps this could be viewed as proof that the claim our education system is failing is in fact a false claim.


I am also 15 years old
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 1:59 pm Wow, this discussion has really gone down the tubes. It started out as a nice little story about a girl standing up for her right of free speech, but has now dissolved into a trollfest of people spouting opinions that do not belong here at all (from both sides, I might add). Can we all shut up and use the comment thread for its original purpose – commenting on the story at hand?


dotmatrix
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 2:48 pm Amy’s just a bully. She wants to fight a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.


Dr Forrester
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 2:52 pm Well, I`d say it sounds like an even match.


DontGetMeStarted
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 4:42 pm First off, re-the actual article at hand:Michelle Bachman is an idiot. My observation, my opinion, I suppose, although facts bear me out. So, to the point, facts. Facts, truth, knowledge, context, powers of observation. These things seem to be missing completely from the republican/conservative public face. There are many very intelligent, informed people on the conservative side, I’m sure, I know, but regardless of their acknowledgment of facts, it seems that the party line is not welcoming of truth/facts/knowledge… Now, as I have said, M.Bachmann is lacking in all of the above, and is an embarrassment to me as a citizen of the United States. I’m also disgusted by the news media who seem to assume she is worthy of attention at all. But that’s just me.
Re – a few other mini-threads here.
If people have trouble believing a High School sophomore could come up with this idea and write this well, it is sad to think that they believe our school systems are that bad. Beyond the fact that many high school kids are fully capable of this kind of eloquence and sense of personal belief, I think those of you who doubt that need to revisit your own high school experiences and maybe do a little remedial reading. Kids these days are likely in general to be brighter than their parents were at their age. It’s the way things evolve.
Which brings me to my last peeve here. This whole creationist/ID/evolution vibe. Sheesh. “@muchado…” put it most succinctly back there somewhere about biogenesis being the ID sticking point. Look, if you want to believe in intelligent design, then that’s fine. Just realize that the design took billions of years to evolve from whatever started it all. I find the Big Bang to be incomprehensible, but my inability to wrap my head around it has nothing to do with the occurrence.
It’s all an issue of scope:
Whose god-thing had the winning design?
When? We have, what, 13 billion years to deal with here, and counting, forward or back, not sure.
Where? We have, what, billions of galaxies of billions of stars/planets each?
Earth, get over yourself!
We’re not the greatest thing that ever was or will be. All we can do is seek to improve on our ability to comprehend this point in time.
Which gets us back to Bachmann…


Webbie
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 6:22 pm Someone asked for a specific case of Bachmann being wrong. Here’s one.Bachmann said, “And I know for my family the only question that we will be answering is how many people are in our home. We won’t be answering any information beyond that, because the Constitution doesn’t require any information beyond that.”That’s wrong. She will be required by law to answer more.
Congress’ use of the Census to ask questions well beyond just the number of people has been upheld several times by the Supreme Court.What’s more, a law passed by Congress requires people to answer any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any Census.

Bachmann also cited her concerns about the privacy of the information, though she should know congress passed laws specifically controlling its use and misuse.


acbuenos
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 7:09 pm While she appears to have written a well put together letter. This girl has failed to develop her letter as she has not shown any examples. As far as we are all concerned this is a circumstantial claim. She can’t seriously think that she would win in a debate.


Sarah Yuster
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 9:27 pm Amy,
I assume that you realize Bachmann wouldn’t dare meet this challenge and will, if even acknowledging it, minimize the gravitas.the best that can be done,for now, I think, is for those of us who are moved, lifted, impressed to share your letter and have it be circulated as widely a possible. thank you for your passion, eloquence and dedication. I hope you continue in this vein…we need you!


Anonymous 4
Comment posted May 15, 2011 @ 9:51 pm @AceWhen I said the world had been around forever, I meant to say the universe as a whole has existed forever. Not the earth itself, but all of existence. That would be my youth showing :D. I did not list 1,2, & 3 with the infinite existence because with infinite existence, matter does not have to come from nothing. But in order for the other 3 to be true, matter must come from nothing. That is only possible with the help of a higher power. I believe it is more logical to believ intelligent design because of that and the enormous odds of it coming about at randomI got the 10^500 fact from here. I think its around the 20ish minute markhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KBx4vvlbZ8&sns=em

There’s no way to know what actually happened until we die


Bet On The Kid! | The Moderate Voice
Pingback posted May 16, 2011 @ 6:57 am […] The Minnesota Independent has the scoop; Rep. Bachmann, the frequent inability you have shown to accurately and factually present even the most basic information about the United States led me to submit the follow challenge, pitting my public education against your advanced legal education […]


WantingBalance
Comment posted May 16, 2011 @ 9:06 am My Texas junior high grand daughter wants to challenge Ms. Meyers to a debate on the constitution with my 4th grade grandson wanting the winner. Do you see where this is going? What do you get if you beat a kid?


Mark
Comment posted May 16, 2011 @ 12:23 pm I read some of the comments, but I had to stop when some conservative referred to Amy, a sophomore in high school, who is calling out a member of congress an “elitist”. I guess he or she is conceding that Bachmann isn’t smarter than say a 6th grader or at least a 9th grader and after that you become part of the intellectual “elite”.I don’t think I need to comment further.


Gary
Comment posted May 16, 2011 @ 12:23 pm Are you smarter than a sophomore?


Carl
Comment posted May 16, 2011 @ 12:43 pm WantingBalance wrote, “What do you get if you beat a kid?”Well, if the kid is straight or in the closet, 6 mos to 5 years depending on judge, jury and extent of injuries. If the kid is gay, a hearty handshake from Michele Bachmann’s buddy Bradlee Dean and a Papal lawyer.Praise Jebus, God hates precocious children, Amen.


marie
Comment posted May 16, 2011 @ 1:29 pm @ MarkI did the same :)Praise Jebus God hates smart children.oh yeah Amen… (sorry Carl I will leave it to you)


The savage nation
Comment posted May 16, 2011 @ 1:43 pm it would have been a lot more gutsy for her to challenge the financial sustainability of socialist programs like medicare medicaid and social security


Independent
Comment posted May 16, 2011 @ 1:46 pm Maybe the winner of debate can take on the Constitutional Scholar in the White House.


High schooler challenges Bachmann to debate on U.S. Constitution – Expedite Trucking Forums
Pingback posted May 16, 2011 @ 1:51 pm […] “liberal elitist” or something of that fashion. Oh would I enjoy watching this. link: High schooler challenges Bachmann to debate on U.S. Constitution | Minnesota Independent: News. Poli… High schooler challenges Bachmann to debate on U.S. Constitution By Andy Birkey | 05.13.11 | 8:04 […]


Carl
Comment posted May 16, 2011 @ 3:05 pm @ The savage nation and Independent,I suppose without a valid argument one changes the subject, huh? Keep those pearls coming.Praise Jebus, God hates His own creation, Amen.


marie
Comment posted May 16, 2011 @ 3:51 pm Carl, I agree, and I can even push it further, The answer should be, we take that challenge on, and lets add more debate. Including the ones stated by savage nation and independent.Debate and knowledge shouldn’t be something to get angry about. Its something that should be encouraged and brought on as a challenge.Its a shame that we have quite a few, less educated people put into prominent positions.definition of Elite

noun
1.
( often used with a plural verb ) the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.
2.
( used with a plural verb ) persons of the highest class: Only the elite were there.
3.
a group of persons exercising the major share of authority or influence within a larger group: the power elite of a major political party.

Now, who doesn’t want an Elite person elected into political statue? i dare you to say that you do NOT want an educated, top of the pile, cream of the crop person running your country and voting for you in on the Hill.

I personally am not ok with dumb asses in position of power.


jmpotratz
Comment posted May 16, 2011 @ 4:18 pm Anyone who thinks Amy is TOO smart to be a fifteen year old probably graduated at the bottom of their class. Amy is smart, but you will more than likely fine the top five percent in any class comprises the “smart” kids. Bachman is a moron and the people that voted for her are worse, because they knew she was one and they voted for her anyway.


David Setlow
Comment posted May 16, 2011 @ 4:38 pm You go Amy! It would do for all our reps in Congress to remember to stick to facts and not make things up just to get support for there position. If they cannot tell a truth because it goes against their party or politics then don’t run for office. Does not matter if your a Repubican, Democrate, Liberal or Conservertive, we are all Americans and deserve an honest debate on the important issues and not the stupid personal attacks, half truths or just made up crap from our Reps or morons like Donald Trump.Come on Rep Bachman, have the brass to take on Amy and try to stick to the truth!


Brandon L
Comment posted May 16, 2011 @ 5:14 pm As a Minnesotan in her district, who voted against Bachmann, I say Bachmann wont accept this challenge because she will lose. I can’t believe she won the election honestly. Bachmann does not represent the ideals of Minnesotans.


jazzsynger
Comment posted May 16, 2011 @ 7:59 pm @skeptical
I teach high school. I would guess that 88% of our students could have EASILY written that letter.


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marie
Comment posted May 16, 2011 @ 11:17 pm @Jazz , guess skeptical was not in the 88%


Carl
Comment posted May 17, 2011 @ 12:18 pm @marie,On those pesky elites… Quite right. But this raises a conundrum for religious conservatives. What to do when the best and brightest reveal their religious beliefs as bogus? Answer, promote the less good, slightly dimmer and more malleable for which there is no shortage. Thus we get Michele and her disarming smile merely masking the American Theocracy movement.“But you ARE the Messiah, I should know since I’ve followed a few!” Monty Python’s Life of Brian.Praise Jebus, God hates the fair competition of ideas, Amen.


The Skinny from McKinney High School Student Challenges Michele Bachmann to Debate
Pingback posted May 17, 2011 @ 2:59 pm […] more and the open letter in its entirety at The Minnesota Independent. Did you like this? Share […]


marie
Comment posted May 17, 2011 @ 3:04 pm Now Carl, there are actually Religious Conservatives that are not religious Extremes. I seem to be bent on the words lately. Cause conservative is some far reach religious tone now. Instead of a Political conservative. There are even believe it or not, some religious extremes that do not try to indoctrinate others!!!! Not many cause to be extreme is to think there is nothing else but your one way to do things, and therefore everyone must do it that way.


jake671
Comment posted May 17, 2011 @ 3:13 pm THE SAME VOTER GROUP THAT ELECTED REP. BACHMANN ALSO ELECTED AL FRANKEN. THE MINNESOTA ELECTORATE IS CLEARLY SCHIZOPHRENIC.


sad liberal
Comment posted May 17, 2011 @ 3:32 pm this young woman did something right. But she is writing to the wrong person. if you really want to talk about un-constitutional actions. write your letter the the president. liberalism is a mental disorder, this only proves it further.


Bill
Comment posted May 17, 2011 @ 3:38 pm Who’s going to read the letter to Michelle Bachman?


Carl
Comment posted May 17, 2011 @ 3:48 pm marie,Fair enough. There’s plenty of room for a diverse set of religious views. As long as none are sanctioned by our government or imposed by the force of law.Praise Jebus, God hates religious tolerance, Amen.


John A. Joslin-Detroit
Comment posted May 17, 2011 @ 3:53 pm Wonder if Rep. Bachmann’s staff will claim that ‘National Insecurity concerns’ make it necessary at this time for Bachmann to regretfully decline the invitation to debate a thoughtful high school student?At a time when U.S. Navy Seals must be ‘guarded for their own protection’… only heaven knows what could happen if Ms. Bachmann were to engage in an unrehearsed argument with a ….uh…. er… reasonably informed young person. Eeeek.Nip this in the bud, America !! Our students should join the Army if they wanna’ shoot their mouths off and have opinions. That’ll teach em !Perhaps somebody in the Representative’s entourage could be encouraged to write a civil rejection letter if the Representative can’t muster the fancy words on her own?

Maybe send the kid an autograph.


Mike
Comment posted May 17, 2011 @ 5:17 pm Sign my petition encouraging Bachmann to debate Myers
http://www.change.org/petitions/bachmann-myers-debate?share_id=ZpqMREovON&pe=pce


Carl
Comment posted May 17, 2011 @ 5:24 pm @jake671- Um, no. You might want to review the difference between the US House’s 6th district in Minnesota and a Senate seat from Minnesota. The sixth district is in, but a small part of, Minnesota and only a portion of Sen. Franken’s voter base. Most of his supporters are outside Bachmann’s district. For now. Better luck next time.@sad liberal- Please tell me, is there a DSM diagnosis addressing the inability to start a sentence with capital letters? It’s probably listed as an irony deficiency. Get it? Careful, loss of a sense of humor is spreading among conservatives.Praise Jebus, God hates a well informed citizenry, Amen.


TFYS
Comment posted May 17, 2011 @ 6:43 pm It would be interesting to see the debate… Especially on seperation of church and state. I would guess that Amy believes it is in the constitution. She probably was thought by the “teacher” that it is freedom from religion not of religion. Also, where is the constitutional right for the federal gov’t to force people to buy a product such a private insurance or watch out for the tax man. What next..Force everyone to go to college or suffer the wrath of the tax man.This country is suffering the harvest of all the bad seed that was laid by BOTH conservatives and liberals through out the last few decades. There is enough blame for everyone. Double standards by party affiliation is killing this country. It is okay to do something if your a _________ (fill in the blank) but not for the __________ (opposite party). US Citizen..Get your head out the party and have a thought for yourself. Party over principles is the choke hold on america.


Sharena
Comment posted May 17, 2011 @ 7:16 pm Great job Amy! Proud of you for standing up for the issues you find important. I hear you are running for office at your school? I hope you win! Keep up the fantastic work.


kay
Comment posted May 17, 2011 @ 9:34 pm Amy – I am educator in NJ – and I am prouder today to be an educator in the State of New Jersey because of you! Thank you, Amy! You must have had great teachers! Perhaps you can tell our Governor some facts about our wonderful educational system too!
Keep working hard!


2012 Candidates Weekly Update 5/17/11 | Secular News Daily
Pingback posted May 18, 2011 @ 3:57 am […] Constitution: High school student challenges her to a debate on the Constitution as a result of her record of making incorrect statements (Minnesota Independent, 5/13).  […]


Carl
Comment posted May 18, 2011 @ 8:35 am @TFYS-Is it party politics that bother you or the difficulties Theocrats and opponents of health care reform find in imposing their will on others? Maybe it’s Democracy you oppose.Praise Jebus, God hates the General Welfare, Amen.


TFYS
Comment posted May 18, 2011 @ 10:16 am @Carl –It is the lack of common senses that comes by just listening to the “Party”. Just because Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, Rush, Sean, Stephanie, Ed, or Mike said it…it must be true. The lack of thinking in this country is growing. This ‘I deserve…’ mentality is going to be the death of america. We lost our work ethic in this country.I hear too often a gripe about the other side and then say “I never listen to __________ but _______(so and so) reported it”. This is what they are taught in schools and colleges today. We lost touch with common sense in this country.Both sides of the aisle need to get their head of the politics and have a unique thought. It is OK to agree with conservative if you are progressive and visa versa.

Let’s get back to a country of personal responsibilty for our individual actions. If I decide to go without health insurance and I get sick, then I live with the consequences. Not wearing your seat belt could get you killed in a car wreck but leave it up to the individual. No more NANNY state.

Gov’t isn’t always the answer and the rescuer. sometimes we need to pick ourselves up by the boot straps and go to work to clean up our mess. The ‘victim’ and blame others attitude needs to end for our (formerly) great country to survive.


Carl
Comment posted May 18, 2011 @ 10:53 am @TFYS-You wrote, “If I decide to go without health insurance and I get sick, then I live with the consequences. Not wearing your seat belt could get you killed in a car wreck but leave it up to the individual. ”True, unless you go to an emergency room, miss work or spread disease by avoiding the health care system. Or you might crash your car and sustain greater injuries for lack of seat belt use requiring extensive and expensive hospitalization and rehab thus bankrupting you and leaving the rest of us with the bill. In either case your actions do place a burden on others. Some shared responsibility is inevitable. But we digress.How does your original post apply to a High Schooler’s debate challenge to a sitting US Senator? Just wondering.

Praise Jebus, God hates staying on topic, Amen.


Carl
Comment posted May 18, 2011 @ 11:30 am Oops, that should read “sitting US Representative.” The horror!Praise Jebus, God hates that Bicameral Legislature, Amen.


localresident
Comment posted May 18, 2011 @ 12:23 pm Can we invite Sarah Palin to the debate?


Is Michelle Bachman smarter than a 10th grader? « Ken’s Space
Pingback posted May 18, 2011 @ 5:32 pm […] smarter than a 10th grader? by kennew142 on May 18, 2011 A 10th grader in New Jersey has challenged Michelle Bachman to a debate on the US Constitution. “I have found quite a few of your statements regarding The […]


riceroni
Comment posted May 19, 2011 @ 4:46 am Michele Bachman is a disgrace and proof that the 6th district of Minnesota are the most willfully ignorant voters on the planet. I believe without a doubt this child would intellectually annihilate brainless Bachmann. But true to her right-wing form she’ll be chicksh*t and probably won’t even respond. Teabaggers… All hat and no cattle.


Patriot
Comment posted May 20, 2011 @ 9:17 am Well written letter but completely failed to point out where Michelle was wrong and why. I am completely unconvinced of anything. Seems like a typical liberal to me. Wants to challenge the TRUTH by beating around the bush and not really making any legitiment points. Michelle would most definitely win the debate because Amy probably has learned her knowledge of the Constitution through indoctrination from her school. There is most likely a left swing to what she has learned. Come on Amy. Be more convincing. State your points.


mike
Comment posted May 20, 2011 @ 10:55 am Amy Meyers has an unfair advantage! She has the US Constitution, not the Tea Party version. I also learned to be a critical thinker in New Jersey decades ago thank s to largely self educated immigrant parents and great teachers and instructors. Bachmann knows that she is slanting the facts to suit her uncritical constituents. Push their fear buttons and they will support almost anything. Joesph Goebbels and Joseph Stalin would be proud of her use of propaganda.


Peter
Comment posted May 20, 2011 @ 12:10 pm I love this idea. If this debat happens (and is televized) I will have a party to watch it on the big screen, BYOPH (bring your own party hat).I am puzzled that some of you doubt that a high school student wrote the letter. First of all, the challenge is to a debate not a letter duel – so what difference does it make if someone edited it? I write professionally. Yet I always ask others to review my work. It helps me make a better product. These writing consultants even come with a professional title: editor. But what’s your worry? Are you afraid little Amy will have an older, more educated doppelganger stand in for her at the debate? Perhaps you’re afraid she’ll be tipped off in advance to the questions? Fear not! I think we’re far likelier to hear Ms. Bachmann ask for a preview (and a crib sheet) than our intrepid public school student – even if the student didn’t act in a vacuum.And yet we are, I think, unlikely to hear from Ms. Bachmann at all. At least not beyond a blandly worded punt.As a final plea, please consult a style manual before attempting to correct other writers’ work. Doing this will help you avoid repeating the nonsense your 1st grade teacher taught you. Your teacher was wrong. You will find it is perfectly acceptable to split your infinitives, to begin sentences with ‘but’ or ‘and,’ and even to end sentences with prepositions.

And with that, I am out! 🙂


David
Comment posted May 20, 2011 @ 2:21 pm My young daughter should challenge Obama to a debate about his inaccuracies and policies which violate the Constitution of the United States. She would tear him apart! What do you think the odds are that he would accept?


Larry
Comment posted May 20, 2011 @ 3:38 pm I think this young woman deserves all the praise we can give her. It took courage to do that and I fully expect that she wrote that herself. In terms of a Minnesota v. New Jersey interpretation – that is utter nonsense. There has been a developed and evolving body of law that determines constitutionality and its final arbiter as specified in the Constitution are the 9 Justices on the Supreme Court.Bachman has made and continues to make self-serving misstatements – of particular note was her associating the end of slavery with the Founders (beyond incorrect, is was simply fantasy). I suspect that Bachman would truly outclassed by the Amy, especially since only one of them actually reads anything factual…


Addie
Comment posted May 20, 2011 @ 6:24 pm Can I debate Obama on the number of states in this country?BTW Amy, learn to write without so many run-on sentences if you wont to be taken seriously!


How Dare She Question Michele Bachmann? | Homebrewed Theology
Pingback posted May 20, 2011 @ 7:03 pm […] New Jersey High School student Amy Myers challenged the history-challenged Michele Bachmann (R-MN) to a debate on the Constitution.  In her letter, written very respectfully, Myers […]


Political Animal – Not even kids are off limits
Pingback posted May 21, 2011 @ 9:29 am […] week, a high school sophomore in New Jersey challenged Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) to a debate on civics and the U.S. Constitution. Given how often […]


Balloon Juice » This goes without saying…
Pingback posted May 21, 2011 @ 8:19 pm […] That is obvious to anybody paying attention, but what caused Steve to pen those lines was the news that the wingnuts are threatening to rape and/or attack the young high school student who challenged Michell Bachmann to a debate about the US Constitution. […]


Bachmann supporters threaten to rape / attack a high school girl | Under the Mountain Bunker
Pingback posted May 22, 2011 @ 8:20 am […] That is obvious to anybody paying attention, but what caused Steve to pen those lines was the news that the wingnuts are threatening to rape and/or attack the young high school student who challenged Michele Bachmann to a debate about the US Constitution. […]


Hockey Bob
Comment posted May 22, 2011 @ 8:39 am @Geekmaster Tuck – unfortunately for Michelle Bachmann, reality *is* biased against her.She’s a woo-addled delusional idiot. I don’t want that god-bothering moron anywhere *near* the nuclear football.Harold Camping would be jealous of her – she could start Armageddon on a religious whim, all on her own. That scares the cr@p out of me.


The Courage of Amy Myers Challenges The Ignorance of Michele Bachmann
Pingback posted May 22, 2011 @ 9:01 am […] is more knowledgeable than the Minnesota representative and lawyer. Three weeks ago, a high school sophomore challenged Bachmann to a “Public Forum Debate and/or Fact Test on The Constitution of the United States, […]


Sluggh
Comment posted May 22, 2011 @ 9:34 pm Is random capitalization OK, too? I correct other writers’ work for a living, and Myers can’t seem to distinguish between a proper and a common noun.


Jean Clelland-Morin
Comment posted May 23, 2011 @ 5:30 am Go get ‘er, Amy!


Carl
Comment posted May 23, 2011 @ 9:28 am I’d say say Ms. Myers has stepped on a zealot nerve. Why the vigorous response if the young lady represents no threat?I compare this honest offer to debate to the constellation of lies and conspiracies dreamed up about Pres. Obama and spread by a manic conservative machine and realize the fundamentalists are scared. They should be. In a free nation the facts ultimately trump fiction.Praise Jebus, God hates the Truth, Amen.


Tex
Comment posted May 23, 2011 @ 2:54 pm Good job Amy. As a warm up, why don’t you debate the man in the WH. He’s supposedly a “constitutional scholar.” That will provide you with practice from a minor leaguer and should provide you with valuable experience before debating a real attorney.


Carl
Comment posted May 23, 2011 @ 5:19 pm @Tex-ROTFLMAO!Please. Bachmann’s supporters are largely creationists, religious zealots and, appropriately enough, Texans. Please come take her away.Praise Jebus, God hates the enlightenment, Amen.


Monday various « occasional fish
Pingback posted May 23, 2011 @ 5:35 pm […] High schooler challenges Michelle Bachmann to debate on U.S. Constitution. It’ll never happen, but my money’s on the high school girl. Hell, in a debate on the Constitution with Bachmann, my money would be on a potted plant. Bachmann supporters have, of course, responded with typical grace and tact. [via] […]


BASATTY
Comment posted May 23, 2011 @ 11:40 pm @Meiden:Well while she was not speaking specifically about the constitution or civics per se.In January after the new Congress came in I heard Michelle Bachmann tell Meredith Viera on the Today show how the new Congress would repeal the Health Care reform act passed last year. That showed an incredible lack of understanding of Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution about Presidential veto power and the requirement of a 2/3 vote of each chamber to override such a veto. Clearly even Rep. Bachmann knows that there would never be the votes for that in either chamber.


Steve
Comment posted May 27, 2011 @ 12:50 pm Amy can’t cite one, not one example of of these constitutional inaccuracies or distortions. Michele would mop the floor with this little snot nosed punk.


Paul Schmelzer
Comment posted May 27, 2011 @ 1:25 pm You don’t know that, Steve. If Bachmann took her up on her offer, maybe we could find out.


LP
Comment posted May 27, 2011 @ 1:33 pm Funny how threatened Bachmann acolytes are by a high school girl’s civil request for a debate. Calling Myers names, is that all you’ve got, Steve?


Jojo
Comment posted May 27, 2011 @ 1:43 pm I think this sophomore should also request to debate the president and ask him to point to the exact line in the Constitution that states that it’s okay to impose health care insurance on its citizens… or maybe she could point to it since she’s so smart.


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Pingback posted May 28, 2011 @ 9:27 pm […] Amy Myers challenged Bachmann to a public debate on the facts of the U.S. Constitution in an open letter […]


Carl
Comment posted May 31, 2011 @ 2:32 pm Let’s see… a well informed high schooler versus someone that believes the Noah’s Ark story. Hopefully reality still tops make-believe.Praise Jebus, God hates the death of fairy tales, Amen.


aron pieman kay
Comment posted May 31, 2011 @ 3:54 pm amy you are a shining star in fighting the good fight against such repukelican snakes!!!
don’t give up the fight!!!


Jeff Wilfahrt
Comment posted May 31, 2011 @ 9:51 pm Bachmann, this just in, god called, said she wants you to go shopping before the debate with Amy Myers. She suggested a pair of reading glasses so you could give the impression of being smart and thought a nice gold chain lanyard would give a bookish flair.Jeff Wifahrt, Rosemount, MN (I see gay people in addition to revelations)


Basatty
Comment posted June 5, 2011 @ 2:35 pm Hey Steve:How about Bachmann’s claim that our Founding Fathers got rid of slavery.
I am sure that the hundreds of thousands of soldiers on both sides during the 1860s would have loved to know that!


Carl
Comment posted June 5, 2011 @ 4:09 pm Amy isn’t the only high schooler to find Bachmann’s knowledge base lacking.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-zimmerman/michele-bachmans-stance-o_b_868771.htmlOur nation clearly has a future if these young people are any indication.Praise Jebus, God hates public schools, Amen.


SparkLife » Are You Smarter Than Michele Bachmann?
Pingback posted June 7, 2011 @ 2:02 pm […] school sophomore Amy Myers has challenged Minnesota Republican Representative Michele Bachmann to a BRAIN DUEL. Specifically, a public debate and/or fact test about the […]


evolutionisfact
Comment posted June 7, 2011 @ 4:03 pm According to my bible females aren’t supposed to be running for ANY public office(that’s strictly the domain of males dear Ms. Bachmann)!! So please go re-read your judeo/christian tripe again dear and kindly step down from the podium and go beg the male community for forgiveness for your heinous crime of even assuming that you are equal to the sons of adam! Foolish outspoken devil worshipping female! LMAO!!


Super G
Comment posted June 8, 2011 @ 12:38 am Will the audience be as dumb as miss Bachmann? In otherwords will they be her supporters? Because facts don’t count with that crowd, kid. Don’t waist your time, study instead.


EXPERTS & WARTHOGS « Once Upon a Paradigm
Pingback posted June 12, 2011 @ 2:30 pm […] A Minnesota 11th grader challenges Michelle Bachmann to a debate concerning the Congresswoman’s views on the United States Constitution. […]


Michele Bales
Comment posted June 19, 2011 @ 12:57 pm Who ever wins or loses would depend on who the judge is, and/or the jury of peers.


Peter Grenader
Comment posted June 19, 2011 @ 6:48 pm @ Allen:Don’t be an ass. This isn’t about Pelosi, you idiot! This is a Tiananmen Square moment. and whether or not Amy had help writing her letter is irrelevant, as it’s thrust goes way beyond any theories forged to call it a fraud. It’s a demand for the purest form of justice – integrity, and a wake up call for those who attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of what they may wish to believe are sheep. And thanks to our young heros such as Amy, possibly these idiots will be reminded of what our founding fathers actually died to withhold, instead of bending it to fit their own agenda and THAT is the point Amy’s hedging at there and I applaud her courage to stand up to it.


Staceman71
Comment posted July 1, 2011 @ 3:24 pm Open Your EARS America – We have been given a GIFT when a child takes it upon herself to speak out to our leadership and say that she RECOGNIZES the half-truths, hyperbole, and blatantly misleading statements that have come to be so acceptable in modern American political discourse. Furthermore, since the adults don’t seem to be able to separate their political affiliation from their common sense, she offers to debate these issues FOR us.I’m ashamed of us when I see how we purposefully and routinely miss the point. I’m ashamed that this (and every) public discourse degenerates into name-calling and partisan bickering. We have a major problem of truth and credibility in government and this country cannot possibly get to the work of fixing the myriad ills we’re all suffering until we can stop lying to ourselves and each other.Here’s what’s killing the USA: Whenever our government must get down to the work of governing (aka: compromising and goring a few oxen) someone throws out abortion or religion or gay marriage or gun control. It works EVERY TIME. It’s a helluva lot easier to debate “morality” issues or start a panic about gun laws than it is to solve the deficit, isn’t it? And if it gets really bad we can alway drum-up the latest in a never-ending string of wars and wave the flag around (oh, and a dead soldier can’t flip a burger so we’re helping curb unemployment).These are DISTRACTIONS, not issues of government and they’re tossed-out there to prevent legislators from having to make a decision. And we get so riled-up by them that we can’t even agree that a big part of the probelm simply IS our government (thank you “webecomeostriches” for eloquently pointing that out).

Call yourself a Democrat, call yourself a Republican — what ever. Your TEAM isn’t in it for you and they sure as hell aren’t in it for the betterment of America.
Wake up and listen to what our children are telling us.


Kevin A
Comment posted July 5, 2011 @ 5:29 pm Personal attack on Bachmann as this letter could have been addressed to any member of the present House or Senate and for that matter the Executive. How many times has Biden misquoted the Constitution? How about Mr. Franks? She meant well, took the wrong track and it will be ignored.


David S
Comment posted August 26, 2011 @ 2:57 pm Go get her!


Guy Western
Comment posted September 12, 2011 @ 9:01 am Amy for President!!


BC
Comment posted October 26, 2011 @ 7:03 pm What can I say after reading these hundreds of postings? How can so many be so wrong? It started in 1962 with a pack of black-robed elitists that made decisions that would embarass most of the founders of this country. There really is scientific evidence that Darwinism is not possible. Just for example, animals exist in nature that have characteristics that all must exist at the same time in order for that animal to survive. This cannot happen by “natural selection.” And that’s just an example. But even if you don’t believe this, most liberals talk about the importance of critical thinking. Let’s not take this away from our youth by pushing a theory down their throats as fact.


Bredt Bartlett
Comment posted October 28, 2011 @ 12:41 pm Go Amy i hope you get the shot you deserve its not often that you get an ambitious person like yourself to challenge an adult with that stature and i will support you and applaud you all the wayGo Amy!!!!!!!!!!!Bredt Bartlett
Freshman


Bredt Bartlett
Comment posted October 28, 2011 @ 12:43 pm The Elite are rising through high school as we speak just remember that as one of the youths she is likely to be one of our next great politicians if we were all a little like Amy then our economy wouldnt be as bad as it is


SAMMIE
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Killing the Wisdom of Youth | Shoegaze Faith
Pingback posted November 29, 2011 @ 3:58 pm […] sucks,  the ensuing apology from the governor, and the earlier example of a high school student challenging would-be presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann to a debate, I was struck by one glaringly obvious […]